So, he has the problem of evil all figured out?

So, he has the problem of evil all figured out?

Actor Kirk Cameron has said on Christian television shows that up until his late teens or 20s that he was an atheist, but he then became a Christian.

He hosts a weekly Christian show with Ray Comfort, Christian evangelist and apologist (who is detested by atheists).

I’m in an odd place on Cameron.

I have seen atheists rip on the guy in what is, in my opinion, an irrational and unfair way, so I’m not fine with that.

On the other hand, Cameron sort of reminds me of me when I was a gung-ho Christian and was deeply into Christian apologetics and would pump my fist in the air over every Christian Republican denouncement about the trashiness of society and the evilness of liberals.

I used to be right there with him. Now I find most of this stuff deeply annoying.

While I still disagree with liberalism and am not a fan of trash and vulgarity in popular culture, my attitudes about how one should react to either have changed.

I no longer think it’s good enough to get angry and worked up about certain topics (e.g., liberalism, abortion, homosexuality), listen to Rush and Hannity every day, and to post diatribes on Facebook all day (not that I ever did that, but I have Christian Republican or conservative friends who do, along with a few atheistic, liberal friends who post anti-Republican, anti-Christian crud all day).

I’m not even saying Christians should remain totally silent on topics that are near and dear to them.

God knows it pisses me off when liberals, homosexual militants, and other such groups harass or law suit the hell out of conservatives and Christians into silence, or when they intimidate them into silence. Liberals and homosexual militant groups that claim to be so “tolerant” – and they often claim they are so very tolerant – are some of the most intolerant people on the face of the planet.

Conservatives and Christians have every bit as much right to opine on topics, as do atheists and liberals.

I’m questioning the wisdom of it, though, and the wasted energy.

Instead of bitching about homosexuals wanting to get married, for example, why don’t Christians spend more time helping people around them (and I mean the people literally around them, not special little project groups, such as starving orphans in Africa)?

Anyway, Kirk Cameron is one of those “on fire for Jesus” types that gets worked up over the erosion of America’s morality, he’s big into stressing the Judeo-Christian foundations of the USA, and so on.

Cameron recently produced some kind of movie or something where he claims to discuss “why God allows evil.”

I have not yet watched any of the videos for this, or what he gets into, what specifics.

I can’t wait to see this guy in another ten or twenty years. He’s around my age right now. I’ve been a Christian since pre-age-ten, he only become one around his twenties?

And I was a serious Christian from the get-go. I’m now suffering burn out and have serious doubts about the faith and it’s usefulness. Most Christians don’t reflect the teachings of Christ.

Most people who claim Christ do not have lives that show a difference or any change. So I don’t see the point in being a Christian.

What I’m trying to say is that for the first 20 years you’re a Christian, it’s easy to be excited about it, but after 20 – 25 years, you start seeing that the promises of the Bible do not hold up. You start noticing that all the years you spent helping people, praying for stuff, etc, is all to no effect.

It will be interesting to see if Cameron is as fired up about Jesus in 10, 20 years as he has been the last five or so. My guess is probably not. And that will be amusing for me to watch.

Anyway, his new film which purports to explain why God allows evil bothers me.

This is a topic that was not even addressed fully in the book of Job, and that was the main theme of that book, for pete’s sake. God’s response to Job, who wanted to know why God allowed evil in his life was (paraphrasing my understanding of the text here), “You’re not going to ever know in this life time. I’m God, you know nothing, shut up, and just accept it all.”

(please click the “continue reading” link to read the rest of this post)

I’ve listened and read Christians try to explain the problem of evil and suffering.

They contradict themselves. Some preachers say God is not behind tornadoes, floods, and car accidents, but I just heard TV preacher David Jeremiah in a TV sermon yesterday totally dispute that.

Your religious nuts, such as Pat Robertson, believes God sends hurricanes as judgment on America for homosexuality, as does Calvinist John Piper.

Calvinism totally sucks, and I mean all of it, not just five pointers, not just “hyper” Calvinism, but even 1, 2, or 4 point Calvinism.

Calvinists basically end up saying God is the author of all evil and responsible for Satan – they deny this is what they believe but this is where their theological system leads.

Calvinism creates a God who is a monster and who totally sucks. Calvinism itself totally sucks, is stupid, evil, horrible, and it’s beyond me why anyone would want to believe in it. Calvinism tends to attract sexists, narcissists, legalists, and all around jerks.

I’m not sure if Cameron is a Calvinist or not, but at any rate, I doubt he has any new light to shed on why God permits evil.

Christians should just admit they do not know why God allows evil, because they really don’t, and the answers they try to give only end up hurting people who are already hurting.

For example, if you tell a Christian you have cancer and will be dead in six months, they will say,
“God must be trying to teach you a lesson,”
“You didn’t pray long or hard enough for a healing,”
“You must lack faith for a healing”

Especially annoying are the Christians who scold people for not liking and enjoying pain (whether it’s physical pain, emotional, relational, or financial).

Their attitude is, “Pray and ask God to show you why he has allowed X to happen in your life. Christians are so quick to ask God to remove X, but you should try to learn from X! You should embrace the pain.”

– my response to those types of people who over-spiritualize pain and tragedy? STFU. (Shut the Fuck Up.)

I’m not a masochist. I do not enjoy pain or trying to “learn lessons from hardship,” nor do I relish the idea of “being made more holy like Jesus” through pain, so again, STFU with your dismissal of people’s pain by trying to turn it all into a Sunday School lesson, or something they should “rejoice” over.

(Link): Kirk Cameron discusses faith film

(Link): Kirk Cameron Film Explores Age-Old Question of Good and Evil

Yes, I’m sure Kirk Cameron has it all figured out when theologians and Christians in pain have been grappling with the issue for centuries. 🙄

The article:

    Actor Kirk Cameron releases a new documentary next week called Unstoppable.

    In it, he explores an age-old question: Why does God allow suffering and evil in the world? Cameron said that is the question that often wrecks people’s faith.

    The film, he says, is based on a true story. Cameron recently lost a teenage friend to cancer—a tragedy that sent him searching for answers.

    “That event really hit me hard,” he told CBN News. “It really pulled all of the air out of my lungs because this was a good boy, a boy from a great family who loved God and went to church.

    “And when he died,” Cameron continued, “and God did not heal him in spite of all the prayers, in spite of all the people crying out to God, it really caused me to ask the big question: Where is God in the midst of my tragedy?”

    Cameron said Unstoppable takes him on the most personal journey of his life where he has to examine his own faith, and he does it by going all the way back to the origins of good and evil.

    “What I discovered is that it’s much better to understand your tragedy and mine in the context of a much larger story,” he said. “And so what I do is I try to take you up to heaven’s balcony and give you a wide-angle-lens view of history, and we start in the Garden of Eden.”

    In the film, Cameron said he overcomes his own doubts and that he comes out on the other side of this meat grinder even stronger in his faith.

    “Regardless of our background—whether you’re Jewish or Christian, Muslim or atheist or agnostic— we all ask this question,” he told CBN News.

    “It’s easier to be excited about your beliefs, whatever they are, when things are going well in your life, when you’re happy and healthy,” he added. “But when the roof comes down and you get hit by something you didn’t see coming, all of a sudden the questions begin. I think you will come out on the other end of this movie not having your faith shredded like has happened to many, but you will have it strengthened like it did for me.”

    Back in July, Unstoppable created a social media firestorm when Facebook and YouTube blocked access to the movie trailer. That’s when over half a million of the actor’s fans rallied around him.

    Facebook later said it was just a mistake and both sites ended up removing the block.

    Unstoppable opens in theaters Tuesday. That night, Cameron will broadcast a special event from Liberty University. He said he wants to settle once-and-for all that good is stronger than evil and that faith is stronger than doubt.

Related post, off site:

(Link): Faith, Doubt and the Idol of Certainty: An Interview with Greg Boyd

    (the link above is from RHE’s -Rachel Held Evans’- blog; I agree with her on some topics, but not on sexuality – she tends to be anti-sexual purity teachings, etc, but some of her view points on other subjects are similar to mine)

5 thoughts on “So, he has the problem of evil all figured out?”

  1. The ultimate Calvinism-crushing verse. Ecclesiastes 9:11 “I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all.” So God doesn’t prescript everything after all. And their response will be, what? “That’s the Old Testament; Jesus nailed it to the cross.” Makes me wonder if Jesus didn’t nail their brains to the cross.

    1. The New Testament acknowledges that the guys of the Old Testament were saved by their faith, not by The Law, by keeping the Law, or doing good works, or by being sexually pure.

      Romans 4:
      What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, discovered in this matter? 2 If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. 3 What does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”

    2. Dude, you need to read my other posts to you – one of them is farther on the page about “Why don’t men go to church”

      I have already sent two posts by you to the Trash, where you were wanting to argue about faith alone.

      I support salvation by faith alone. It’s not up for debate on this blog.

      This is a blog about singleness, not for bickering about theology. I’m also not into debate here, or permitting dissenting views – see the “Policy on Dissent” page and the “About” page, both are linked to at the top of the page.

      I almost trashed these first posts by you but have so far allowed them to stay on the blog. I assume folks can click on your name to go to your blog? If so, you can post on your own blog about how much you dislike Faith Alone. I am a Faith Aloner, yet I’m a virgin at age 40+, so your view point that all Faith Aloners are great big sexual sinners is a lot of hooey and is false.

  2. “Calvinism tends to attract sexists, narcissists, legalists, and all around jerks.”

    The irony, that emphasizes faith alone so heavily leads to legalism. People who simply admit that living morally is a requirement for salvation (oh no! works!) are less legalistic. People who don’t hold to faith alone are also less concerned with publicly bashing homosexuals. Its the faith alonist types and especially the Calvinists who don’t actually believe homosexuality or any other sin can damn “the elect” who make a point of constantly publicly emphasizing that homosexuality is a sin. But their doing so has the reverse affect from making people say “Oh, its a sin, so I better stop it.” It entrenches people all the more into it, since they see the double standard. “You’re a homosexual and you’re going to hell. Unless you accept Jesus because then you can do anything you want and still be saved because its by faith alone, not works.”

    I have the problem of evil figured out, by the way: you have to live morally to be saved. So evil will be wiped out when all the faith alonists are annihilated in hell per Psalm 37:20 “But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the Lord shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.”

    1. I may have to delete or heavily edit this comment of yours at a later time, sorry.

      You went on and on claiming that “you have to live morally to be saved.” The Bible does not teach that anywhere.

      I am believe in ‘salvation by Faith alone,’ and you just insulted me, the blog owner, by saying God should or will send me to Hell one day. Gee, thanks, pal.

      There are Christians who are Arminian, or whoare neither Arminian or Calvinism, who believe in faith alone, but they do not sexually sin or condone homosexuality.

      I’ve known Christians who believe as you do, but they or their family lives in sexual sin, and a lot of it (one guy worked in a Pornography shop, for pete’s sake).

      The Bible teaches that if you seek to justify yourself before God via works / the Law, which is what you are advocating, your faith is counted for nothing, which I take it to mean, you might not be saved.

      You can’t rely on yourself to be saved, which is what you seem to be advocating. If humans could maintain correct conduct on their own, all the time, there would be no need for a Savior (Christ).

      The Bible does not teach that a truly saved person will cease from all sin (these verses are directed at Christians):

      1 John 1:8
      8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

      Written by Paul:
      Rom 7:15
      I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do.

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