Phil Robertson seen in new video saying men should marry girls ‘when they are 15 or 16’
(Hat tip to blog visitor Jane Zen who sort of suggested I do a post about this story.)
Before I give you the links to the news stories about Robertson’s creepy views that adult men should marry 15 year old girls, here are some of my thoughts.
This is incredibly stupid advice on Robertson’s part.
I am a woman. I had no idea who the hell I was in my teen years, and did not know who I was, until I got to my late 30s, because, like many females, especially ones raised in Christian families, I was conditioned (first and foremost by my very traditional, Christian mother) to look outwards, to look outside of myself, to meet the needs of other people.
I was discouraged from putting myself and my feelings and my needs and my life first; I was discouraged by Christian teachings or attitudes that appeared in books, in sermons by preachers, etc, and my Christian mother, not to figure out what I wanted out of life, and not to figure out what made ME happy.
I was taught to define myself by OTHER PEOPLE, what THEY wanted, what THEIR likes and dislikes were.
I grew up being more attentive to people around me (to see how I could make other people happy, to figure out how I could meet their needs) than I did learning about myself and going after what I wanted in life.
So I had no idea who the hell I even was until I began rejecting these codependent, Christian, traditional gender role views in my late 30s. I was not my own person until I got to my late 30s.
I think one of several reasons I have stayed single this long is because I knew, at least in the back of my mind, as far back as my 20s, that marrying would have been a huge mistake for me – I was not ready yet to marry (though I was engaged in my early 30s, but I broke that off).
Many other females are conditioned to be the same way I was. If they marry at 15, they would be nothing but a robotic “Stepford Wife.” They would not be a full partner to a man in a marriage.
Such females would be more like a naive, little daughter who needs a husband who is a “daddy figure” to protect and provide for them. There might be some men who find that sort of female appealing, but the ones who do tend to be SELFISH, CONTROLLING, and ABUSIVE.
Of course, the left wing, liberal sites are picking Robertson apart for his joke (or serious view?) that girls should marry adult men when they are 15 years old.
However, left wingers are hypocrites on this point.
Liberals are hypocrites on this topic since so many of them are fine with homosexual activists, or hetero sexual hedonists, engaging in the following:
> Preaching about homosexuality to children,
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- even ones in kindergarten (who are five years old), and telling them homosexuality is natural and normal
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- (and I’ve read about them teaching public school kids, via their printed curriculum, to experiment in homosexual behavior themselves – not just telling the kids what homosexuality is, but telling them
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to go out and try it for themselves
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> teaching kids as young as five how to put a condom on a cucumber;
> teaching children about sexual positions, etc.
At the same time, liberals are against anyone teaching these same public school children about the options of celibacy, remaining a virgin until marriage, or about the health risks associated with homosexual behavior.
Liberals think it is okay and peachy fine to teach small kids and teens that behaviors some regard as immoral are “normal,” or to teach the “facts” of sex without any sort of moral guidance, or without telling the kids that NOT having sex is a totally valid option as well.
Liberals think it’s okay to omit from lectures about sex to children and teens that celibacy is an option (they mock this, actually, when it’s brought up under abstinence teaching).
Liberals and other types think it’s fine to teach their form of sexual education, which tends to be garbage – some of it, IMO, is perverted – to five year old children, to 12 year olds in junior high, or 15 year olds in high school. But they balk at some dude saying it’s advisable for a grown man to marry a teen?
I don’t see how their views on sexual issues are any better than Robertson’s quip that men should marry underage girls.
Liberals support and promote sexual deviancy, promiscuity, and hedonism to little children as young as five years of age all the way up to college age students, and they reject teaching celibacy as an option to kids, so I think they don’t have the moral high ground here at all.
— One Does Not Have to Have Sex or Engage in Other Sexual Behaviors to Possess Sexuality —
If liberals and libertarians were as open minded, non judgmental, and free about sex as they claim they are, they would be telling kids that yes, celibacy is indeed an suitable option for life, because celibacy is another form of sexuality.
Liberals are open to any and all forms of sex except for celibacy and virginity.
One does not have to have sexual intercourse to be sexual or to posses sexuality. Many Christians and Non Christians mistakenly believe that engaging in sexual activity is what makes a person sexual; it is not.
Think of it like this: suppose you have a 35 year old, hetero woman who has had sex a 100 times with 20 different men over her life time, but in the past six months, she has not had sex with a man at all, because she’s been too busy with life, or hasn’t met any men she is interested in having sex with.
Just for not having sexual intercourse, or any other sort of sexual activity for six months, does this mean she has ceased being a sexual being? No. Having sex is not what makes her sexual. Your sexuality remains intact whether you are boinking other people or not.
See, your liberals (and sadly, some Christians, Republicans, and social conservatives) have been snookered into thinking that sexuality is limited only to the following scenarios:
full on sexual intercourse (penis in vagina, penis in anus), oral sex; two people getting naked and groping each other; or one person sticking their fingers or penis into someone else’s body parts/mouth, or that sexuality only involves other, physical acts (such as masturbation).
You do not have to be doing any of that stuff to be sexual or possess sexuality.
Most all humans, with the possible exception of asexuals, are born with a sexual nature, whether they are boinking other people or not. That is, remaining celibate (abstaining from sex) is a form of sexuality. But liberals hate teaching about that particular form of sexuality. Liberals want to tell kids all about how to give each other blow jobs or how to pop a pill to avoid pregnancy, but they are loathe to explain that remaining a virgin is perfectly fine.
I am in my early 40s and am still a VIRGIN at this point in my life. Yet, I still have sexuality. Men flirt with me now on dating sites, have flirted with me in my 20s and 30s, and they view me as being “sexy.” (I look damn good in heels and skirts, if I do say so myself). One does not have to have a penis in one’s vagina at one point, and one does not have to suck on a man’s penis, to be sexy, to be deemed sexy, or to have sexuality.
I, as a 40 something virgin, am not asexual, I do not lack libido, and I am not a frumpy, androgynous-looking being.
I will say it again:
You do not have to actually be having sex to be sexual or to possess sexuality. You already have it, you are just choosing not to express it by getting naked with another person and groping their body or sucking on their genitals or exchanging bodily fluids.
(This is also tied closely to another secular and Christian myth: that one has to marry to be considered mature or a grown up. Wrong.
One can be past the age of 30, never have married, and be just as mature as any married person. In the same way, one does not have to be having sex to be a full grown up or to be sexual.
By the way, as I have explained time and again on this blog, some married people are selfish and immature, they get arrested, go to jail for crimes, and some married people write in to advice columnists complaining that their marriage has been sex-less for many years.)
On to the links about the latest Robertson controversy, with more commentary by me below these links:
This is from a left wing site:
(Link): ‘Duck Dynasty’ Star Phil Robertson Advises Men To Marry 15-Year-Old Girls
This is another left wing site:
(Link): Phil Robertson Says Girls Should Be Married Off at “15 or 16”
Excerpt:
- His (Phil Robertson’s) advice for a happy marriage is to make like R. Kelly and hang out in high-school parking lots. “You got to marry these girls when they are about 15 or 16. They’ll pick your ducks.” (No, “pick your ducks” is not sexual innuendo—Robertson is talking about cleaning the feathers off of dead birds, a miserable task often left to women to perform.) “You need to check with mom and dad about that of course,” sage Robertson wisely advises, but he does not explain how to convince the parents of teenage girls to let them marry grown men who are tired of cleaning their own dead birds.
- He could start by asking his own sons. Indeed, his one son, Willie Robertson, has a daughter, Sadie, who at 16 is exactly the right age for marriage in her grandfather’s estimation.
- Of course, she’s pretty busy at the moment capitalizing on her family’s fame to start a career in fashion designing. Instead of doing her godly duty and standing over a sink yanking feathers off her husband’s killings, Sadie Robertson has been walking the catwalk to show off prom dresses she helped design with Sherri Hill.
- One can only hope for an episode of Duck Dynasty in which Phil has a heart-to-heart with his granddaughter, illuminating the very important issue of yanking teenagers out of New York Fashion Week to marry them off before they can vote. Think about it, A&E. Everyone knows what Phil Robertson is now, so why not make some money letting him be himself for a nation of gawkers.
This is from Fox news, which is considered to be right wing, but which actually tends to betray right wing, social conservative values at times (Fox TV cable news hosts typically support homosexuality, for example, while most so cons DO NOT):
(Link): Phil Robertson seen in new video saying men should marry girls ‘when they are 15 or 16’
- In a new video that has surfaced online, “Duck Dynasty” star Phil Robertson tells a crowd at a Georgia Sportsmen Ministry event that it’s a good idea to marry girls when they are young.
- “You got to marry these girls when they are 15 or 16. They’ll pick your ducks,” he can be heard saying in the video from 2009.
- Of course, Robertson literally means that the girls will remove the feathers from ducks.
- “Look, you wait until they get to be 20 years old, the only picking that’s going to take place is your pocket,” he tells the audience, who can be heard laughing during his speech.
- He advises that men check with a young girl’s parents before making anything official.
- “You need to check with mom and dad about that of course.”
- Robertson married his wife, Kay, when she was 16 years old, according to her bio on the family’s Duck Commander website. Still, some Twitter users speculated that based on the crowd’s laughter, Robertson may have been joking with his comments.
- “So Phil Robertson says men should marry girls when they’re 15 years old. Can anyone tell if this is a ‘joke,’ or ‘comedy?’…”
- According to People magazine, Robertson shared the exact same sentiment in his book “Happy, Happy, Happy: My Life and Legacy as the Duck Commander.” In the book, he writes that the idea of a 20 year old marrying for money is a joke.
- “Now, that’s a joke, and a lot of people seem to laugh at it, but there is a certain amount of truth in it,” he writes of his suggestion to marry a 15 year old.
- Upon seeing the video, many jumped to criticize the “Duck” dad. “Phil Robertson now says men should marry 15 yr old girls. So homosexuality is wrong but being a pedophile isn’t,” one user wrote.
According to one news report of this story, Robertson went on to say something indicating that he was only joking. So I’m not sure if the guy truly believes this way or not.
There are some fringe groups in Christianity who do really believe that a man should totally control his wife (some are known as biblical gender complementarians, some call themselves patriarchalists), and even main stream evangelicals, who claim to be alarmed at lower marriage rates (but who don’t give a damn that many women over 30 who want marriage are still single – these marriage obsessed Christians only care about 20 something women) have been urging Christian kids to marry by age 18 or early 20s.
If you want to see material that refutes gender comlementarianism, try doing an internet search for the phrase “biblical gender egalitarianiam.”
As I remarked about this under another thread, one reason some men prefer very young women is because young women tend to be codependent (doormats, lack a backbone, are too afraid to stand up to a man, are so desperate for a love life they will put up with abuse from a man rather than live life alone, etc).
And a lot of men know these things. Men find it much easier to control and manipulate a 15 or even a 30 year old than they do a 40 year old woman. That is one reason you will old dudes, even as old as 50, 60, chasing after 25 year olds – it is not that they want to “start a new family” as they claim (btw, women in their 40s can still make babies, women menstruate into their late 40s and early 50s).
The real goal of some men is CONTROL. They want a wife or GF they can CONTROL. Some 40 something women are insecure and lack confidence but the vast majority do have confidence and are not going to take anywhere near the amount of shit off a man that a 15, 25, or even 35 year old will.
People in American culture today do not mature as fast as they used to. As many articles and editorials have discussed, a lot of men in their late twenties and early thirties are still living at home, playing video games – living the life of a 13 year old boy. Most 15 and 16 year old girls have no clue about life or who they are yet. To suggest they are ready for marriage is ridiculous and short-sighted and setting them up to be used and abused.
I support this guy’s right to say whatever he wants to say, but that does not mean I completely agree with all his views. And I don’t agree with him that grown men should be marrying girls under age 18.
As a matter of fact, I do not think anyone should marry anyone more than five to six years older or younger than him or herself.
“May- December” relationships are disgusting.
Not only are such age lop sided marriages gross, but they are unfair to the younger partner, because it’s oh- so- easy for the more mature partner to control and manipulate – or even abuse – the younger one.
See my previous post:
(Link): Nobody Bats An Eye at Condemnation of Hetero Sexual Sin – Observations from Duck Dynasty Controversy
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Related:
(Link): Creepy, wrong, immature and pathetic: older men chasing after much younger women
(Link): Similar Views of Women Between Christian Gender Complmentarians and Islamic Group ISIS
(Link): I’m a 30-Year-Old Female Virgin – Should I Tell The Guys I Date? (Advice Column)
(Link): Online Dating: Women Want Younger Men (article)
(Link): A Case Against Early Marriage by Ashley Moore (editorial)
(Link): Rush to early marriage feeds Utah’s higher-than-average divorce rate (article)
(Link): The Nauseating Push by Evangelicals for Early Marriage
(Link): Secular Media Also Pushing Early Marriage
(Link): Author Laurie Cole: another ‘early marriage’ supporter
(Link): A Response by Colon to Regnerus Re: Misguided Early Marriage Propaganda
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