SBC President Floyd: God Forgives Child Molesting (i.e., Josh Duggar) But Not Transgenderism (Bruce / Caitlyn Jenner)

SBC President Floyd: God Forgives Child Molesting But Not Transgenderism

Floyd is president of the SBC, if I am not mistaken.

It is very inconsistent for a person to say God can and does forgive child molesting but not transgenderism, which is what Floyd has done.

I myself do not support either. Child molesting is revolting, sick, immoral and criminal. I don’t support transgenderism, either.

Transgenderism is a topic I seldom discuss here at my blog for different reasons, one of which, I don’t have a lot of interest in the topic.

I don’t agree with transgenderism, but I do not hate transgender people.

I think it’s hypocritical to support Josh Duggar the self professing child molester, say God can forgive him, but then turn around and condemn Bruce Jenner for dressing like a lady and getting breast implants and insist God cannot or will not forgive that.

In my view, a boy or man molesting a little girl is a hundred billion times worse than an adult male who decides to get breast implants and wear lipstick and skirts.

(Link):  Arkansas pastor says Caitlyn Jenner is defying God but Josh Duggar can be forgiven

  • BY MEG WAGNER
  • NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
  • Wednesday, June 3, 2015, 9:43 AM
  •  The conservative pastor who claimed God can forgive Josh Duggar amid (Link): his molestation scandal said during a fire-and-brimstone sermon that Caitlyn Jenner is defying the way God made her.Ronnie Floyd, the Duggar family’s pastor who heads the Pinnacle Cross Church in Arkansas, said Jenner was a sinner and should no longer be considered an American hero.God made two genders, and “there’s no fluidity to that,” he said.

    But hours after the scathing homily, he (Link): told People that Josh Duggar, who is accused of molesting at least five underage girls when he was a teenager, can be forgiven for his wrongdoing.

  • Jenner, formerly known as Bruce, came out as transgender in (Link): an April interview with Diane Sawyer. The Olympic gold medalist (Link): made her debut as Caitlyn on the cover of Vanity Fair on Monday.Fans praised Jenner for the bold debut — but a day before the magazine cover was released, Floyd called her transition “sad.”
  • (Link): He said in the recorded Sunday address: “But let me tell you what else is sad: the comments from the American culture. Comments like, ‘Once a champion, always a champion.’ Comments like ‘An American hero once again,’”

    Floyd refused to call Jenner by her preferred gender and called her “Bruce” throughout the hourlong speech.

    “Did God make him this way? Absolutely not,” he said.

  • Floyd urged his congregants to raise their children to be the gender in which God created them, saying: “Gender is not fluid. God made you male or female. There’s no fluidity to that.“No such thing as gender neutral. No such thing as unisex,” he said. “Couples, you raise your girls to be girls. Don’t raise them to be anything else other than girls. If they’re decreed by God to be a girl, then they need to be girls.”

    Later that day, Floyd spoke to People about Duggar’s molestation scandal.

     The 27-year-old admitted to “acting inexcusably” and “hurting others” after he was accused of fondling the breasts and genitals of at least five underage girls as a teenager. A (Link): new report released Wednesday revealed that he confessed to molesting his 5-year-old sister when he was 15 years old.

    “Everyone does wrong, and what was wrong was very wrong as to what was testified to and it’s completely unacceptable,” Floyd said of Duggar’s confession. “But I’m thankful, whether it’s him or any other one, that I serve a God who can forgive everything.”

  • Duggar, the eldest of the 19 Duggar children featured on “19 Kids & Counting,” resigned his position as a lobbyist with the Family Research Council, an organization dedicated to preserving family values in America.

(Link):  Duggar family pastor likens Caitlyn Jenner’s ‘sins’ against God to abusing children and family members

(Link): Bruce ‘Caitlyn’ Jenner’s Sexual Transition Is a Sin Against God, Says ’19 Kids and Counting’ Duggar Family Pastor

(Link):  Josh Duggar Pastor Likens Molestation Scandal to Caitlyn Jenner Transition

(Link):  Just Look At This Asshole: Duggar Pastor Says Caitlyn Jenner Is “Defying God”

(Link):  Pastor Says Josh Duggar, Caitlyn Jenner Are Both ‘Sinners’

  • The Duggar family pastor has some thoughts about the Josh Duggar molestation scandal and Caitlyn Jenner.
  • “Everyone does wrong, and what was wrong was very wrong as to what was testified to and it’s completely unacceptable,” Dr. Ronnie Floyd of the Pinnacle Cross Church in Rogers, Arkansas, told People magazine, referring to the allegations that Duggar molested five underage girls when he was a teenager. “But I’m thankful, whether it’s him or any other one, that I serve a God who can forgive everything.”
  • Floyd’s definition of “sin” evidently extends to Caitlyn Jenner as well. On Sunday, he gave a sermon criticizing the Olympic gold medalist and reality star whose July 2015 cover of Vanity Fair is being hailed by people around the world this week. Jenner recently gave an inspirational interview with Diane Sawyer in which she came out as transgender.
  • “You dads, make sure you raise your sons around men who are manly,” Floyd said, according to People magazine. “What’s remarkable about this is the world is applauding. Gender is not fluid.” But added that the Bible says “all humans be treated with dignity and respect,” whatever their sins.
  • “Bruce Jenner is no different from all of us,” Floyd reportedly said in his sermon, using the name by which Caitlyn Jenner was formerly known. “We are all sinners. The key is cleansing our sins through Christ’s grace.”
  • Joel Watts, author of From Fear to Faith: Stories of Hitting Spiritual Walls, explained to The Huffington Post why Floyd might consider Duggar being absolved of sin, but not Jenner.
  • “I think the story with Caitlyn is that [fundamentalists] see the story with Caitlyn as controlling [her] own body, which, for a fundamentalist, is a giant paradox they can’t wrap their head around,” said Watts.
  • “Josh Duggar is a victim [to them], and Caitlyn is making it where God is the victim. Somehow God has made a mistake. It’s hard for them to understand — they generally reject science and psychology anyway.”
  • “For them, they see it as a sin against God directly and they don’t understand. For them, it’s a perversion,” Watts continued. “Josh prayed for his sins and is clearly forgiven. Caitlyn didn’t try hard enough.”

    Floyd was not immediately available for further comment.

(Link):   Duggar family pastor defends ’19 Kids and Counting’ family: God is always forgiving

(Link):  ’19 Kids and Counting’ Duggar Family Church Pastor ‘Surprised’ at Josh Duggar Molestation Charges, But Says ‘We Serve a God Who Can Forgive Anything’

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(Link):   Christian Josh Duggar Resigns from Family Research Council after Sexual Abuse Allegations

(Link):  Christians Teaching That All Sexual Sins Are Equal – Thoughts and Reflections

(Link): Focus on the Family Members Practice Infidelity or Homosexuality and Get Divorced and Remarry – links to exposes

(Link):  Marriage Made Into An Idol by Christians, Christians Who Believe Christian Men Are All Potential Rapists – Examples of these and other Topics

(Link):   A Response To J D Hall’s Vomit-tastic Post about Village Church’s Handling of Certain Members, Covenants, and Marriages

(Link): Where Are America’s Virgins? Discouraging the Virtuous by Julia Duin

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  1. The difference between the two is that one is (supposedly) repentant, while the other is not and is continuing along. I would imagine that if the latter repented, they would forgive. Here, of course, is where the hypocrisy comes in. Because they would never believe the repentance was genuine and forgive that individual unless he/she made a visible change in his/her identity back to normal, if you know what I mean. But with the Duggar family, no actual visible change is required of them to forgive. This is the real root issue. One standard for one type of sin, and another for another kind. We haven’t seen any outward visible signs of change made available to the public. They only said they were sorry once they were caught. It’s like King Saul versus King David. King Saul is only sorry when the kingdom is finally torn from him. He keeps on being unbelieving, despite his sorrow expressed toward Samuel, and continues on with a murderous heart. King David, on the other hand, never murdered and stole someone else’s wife again. Both had real life consequences dealt toward them. David was disciplined severely, despite being forgiven.

    These people really don’t believe in church “discipline”. Their idea of church discipline is to extract an outward apology, rather than to pursue a change of heart. The ante-Nicene era church would have instantly excommunicated Josh Duggar, and only let him in after YEARS of public penance (different from modern Catholic penance), which involved public shaming and rediscipling the individual before they could reenter the church and even so much as take communion. If a person offended a second time with a serious sin like adultery, murder, etc., they’d be permantently excommunicated. Trust was just too precious to be broken over and over again.

    I don’t think we should go as far with penance, but seriously, where is the fruit of repentance in the Duggars? Where is the outward change that we can visibly see? Showing up at that family conference as keynote speakers isn’t it. They have zero credibility. There should be permanent consequences for the years that they lied to everyone. Just like a pastor who loses qualifications to pastor ever again by committing fraud, adultery, etc. They should never be allowed to teach others how to run their own families. They’re in the role of self-appointed TV celebrity pastors preaching at everyone how to live “Biblically”, and none of them meet the Biblical qualifications. Real repentance would recognize that, apologize SINCERELY, and step down for good so they can actually get real help to work through their family problems. But hey, got to support those 19 kids somehow, right? It always goes back to money.

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