Actually We Don’t Owe You Sex, and We Never Will by M. Donegan

Actually We Don’t Owe You Sex, and We Never Will by M. Donegan

(Link to the Donegan editorial is farther below)

As I’ve mentioned on older posts on this blog, not only do women not owe men sex, we don’t owe them smiles, dates, attention, emotional support, or companionship, but some of them are under the very misguided notion that we do.

According to this article, some of these bitter sexist ass hat male incels feel that women have a moral obligation to have sex with them – no, we do not. One of the incels quoted argued that people (or is it just men?) have a “right” to sex – no, wrong again.

If you are a sexless man, I am under no obligation to have sex with you. I do not owe you sex.

Your single status is also not my responsibility: I do not owe you flirtation on a job, nor a date.

These incel men must be unaware of the concept of masturbation. As I’ve said on this blog before, sex with another person is a luxury – not a necessity.

As I’ve read more and more articles about incels (and men similar to them, the sexists, the men who have an irrational hatred and obsession with feminists, and the MRA guys), the more mentally disturbed and abusive they sound. They are entitled, perpetually angry pricks who need to get into some programs for abusive men – their entitled attitudes are tremendous.

My other assessment of these angry, bitter, women-hating men – incels and those like them – after having read many exposes on them – is not that they want to have sex with honest to God women, but with either the unrealistic air-brushed models created by Madison Avenue and Hollywood, or with a sack of flour with a hole in it, one in which they can insert their penises and engage in sexual activity.

A sack of flour has no opinions, needs, or preferences of its own and cannot and will not fight back if a man inserts his penis into it: that is what these men really want. They say they want to have sex with women, but that’s not quite accurate, since they clearly resent actual women who have minds of their own and determine when or if or with whom they will have sex.

See, some men just view women as objects with holes for putting their genitals in, kind of like how this drunk man views tail pipes on cars:

(Link): Extremely drunk man tried to have sex with car tailpipe: cops

These incel perverts have really turned sex into an idol, too.

(Link):  Actually We Don’t Owe You Sex, and We Never Will by M. Donegan

Alek Minassian, 25, (Link): was angry that he wasn’t getting laid. That’s why he drove a van into a crowded thoroughfare in Toronto on April 23, killing ten people.

So was Elliot Rodger, 22, who (Link): expressed rage at his own virginity before killing six people and himself in Isla Vista, California in 2014.

And Nikolas Cruz, 19, who (Link): posted praise of Rodger online before fatally shooting 17 people at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida earlier this year.

If you’re blessedly unfamiliar with the concept of  (Link): “incels“—so-called “involuntarily celibate” men who lurk in online forums like Reddit and 4chan fueling each other’s violent fury at women, particularly women who decline to have sex with them— it may sound like a fringe idea, the kind of ideology that would only appeal to mouth breathers who live in their parents’ basements.

But it’s a way of thinking that more and more men are getting drawn to or promoting—including influential men on the national stage, like New York Times op-ed writer Ross Douthat, who expressed sympathy with the incels in (Link) a viral column this week.

Central to the incel ideology is the idea that sex with another person—specifically, penetrative sex with women—isn’t a privilege for men, but a right. Incels talk about sex with “Stacys,” their term for attractive women, the way that more reasonable people talk about food, water, and shelter: as a basic necessity for survival.

As a thing without which a man will suffer to an unacceptable degree.

And they’re not just sad about their failure to sleep with “Stacys,” they’re angry about it.

After all, the inverse of this idea is that women, in turn, have a duty to provide sex—and that women who don’t have sex with a particular man are doing that man unjust harm.

The idea that men are entitled to sex, and that women owe it to them, was first plucked from the incel community after the Toronto attack by Robin Hanson, an economist at George Mason University, who took to (Link): Twitter and to his (Link): personal blog to advocate for a “redistribution” of sex.

A central claim of incels is that attractive men, whom they call “Chads,” sleep with too many women, and that women should be taken from the Chads and given to the incels to make this more fair. “Those w/ less access to sex plausibly suffer similarly to those with low income, & might similarly hope to organize to lobby for redistribution along this axis,” Hansen wrote.

The rights and desires of women who would be “redistributed” in this scenario aren’t thought of much at all.

The idea that individual men might have a right to sex the way that they have a right to safety and survival was then taken up by Douthat. He (Link): wrote that the suffering of incels who can’t get laid might one day be seen as a moral obligation for women.

Soon, Douthat says, “Right-thinking people will simply come to agree that [a right to sex] exists, and that it makes sense to look to some combination of changed laws, new technologies, and evolved mores to fulfill it.”

By taking the incels’ claims at face value, he legitimized their ideas, and forwarded the assumption that if some men can’t get laid, it’s not because they’re creeps or jerks, but because women have too much independence. And so, the idea that provoked Alek Minassian to carry out a deadly terrorist attack on April 23 was taken seriously in the New York Times just a week and a half later. What seemed fringe became mainstream very quickly.

We’ve all experienced loneliness, a sense of being unlovable. But loneliness is not what’s at stake here. What incels are calling for, and what thinkers like Hanson and Douthat are at least willing to entertain, isn’t sex exactly, because sex isn’t a commodity that can be traded and distributed like sweaters or loaves of bread.

Sex is an activity, one that you need two willing, capable people to do.

Incels don’t really want that. What they want is a right to rape on demand, a right not to see women as people with rights and desires of their own, but only as objects to be fucked.

But in the real world, where women are at least nominally full citizens with control over their own sex lives, some men will inevitably go unlaid in order for women to go unraped. That’s a price we should all be willing to pay, because the disappointment of men who fail to sleep with whichever woman they choose is not as important as the safety and bodily autonomy of women.

The incels, of course, don’t see it that way. Their misogynist ideology views pleasure as a right (for men), and safety as only a privilege (for women). The logic of their call for an individual right to sex for men is that for men, pleasure— orgasmic pleasure, at that! should be the baseline standard, and that for women, pain and violation are an acceptable baseline. This standard of living for men is simply too high, and its standard of treatment for women is far, far too low.

Women are not interchangeable, we are not commodities, and we will not be “distributed” against our will. The choice of who we have sex with will always be only our own.


(Link):  Dudes, Stop Putting Women in the Girlfriend-Zone

(Link): ‘It’s Not Me, It’s You’: A Loser’s Guide to Dealing with Rejection by The Guyliner

(Link): The Fragile Male Ego That Can’t Function Without Constant Sexual Validation by S. Ashley

(Link): I Bought Your Drinks, So You Owe Me Sex – Why Do Some Men Believe Dating is a Transaction? by S. Gallagher

(Link): An Open Letter to Male Virgins by Anna Broadway

(Link): Who Are “Incels”? Behind the Misogynistic Ideology That Inspired The Toronto Suspect

(Link): Don’t Let ‘Incel’ Misogynists Like the Toronto Killer Tell You They’re Special – I Was A Virgin Until I Was 27 By Noah Berlatsky

(Link): ‘Incel’ Creep, Tres Genco, Planned to Murder 3,000 Women by Kevin Downey, Jr 

(Link): Inside Secret World of Incels Who Turn To Murder Because They’ve Never Had Sex by J. Lavender

(Link): A Man Allegedly Shot A Baby In The Head After Her Mom Rejected Him At A Party by B. Sacks

(Link): Bitter, Frustrated 22 Year Old Male Virgin and Member of Men’s Rights / PUA Groups Kills Several Women Because He Couldn’t Get Dates – what an entitled sexist doof

(Link):  A Teen Boy Tried To Kill Three Women “In Revenge” Because He Was A Virgin – felt that women “were the weaker” breed

(Link):  ‘Incel’ Creep, Tres Genco, Planned to Murder 3,000 Women by Kevin Downey, Jr

(Link): UK Mass Shooter Was a Virgin ‘Incel’ Who Warned He Was ‘A Terminator’

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