The Gross, Shaming Natalism Propaganda on Gab Platform by Its Rude Members, Including By Roman Catholics and Other Conservatives
A few days ago, someone I follow on Gab – I was automatically signed up to follow that person when I joined the site, I did not choose to follow them on my own – (with Gab being a social media platform that is similar to Twitter) shared a meme by someone else called “Disco.”
You can view that meme (Link): here on Gab.
I will also provide a screen shot below.
By the way, I am not as familiar with Gab’s functions and commenting as I am with Twitter’s, so I am not quite sure how to reply to people on Gab or how to link to specific comments by myself or others.
I am a pro-life conservative.
I am not opposed to equal rights for women, but I don’t identify as a feminist.
I don’t really fit in totally over on Gab, a platform which unfortunately attracts a lot of extreme right wing kooks (but some of the users seem okay),
but I don’t really fit in over on Twitter, either (where I was suspended for months previously before I got posting ability again),
because Twitter is over-run with far left “nut jobs,” most of whose views I normally do not agree with. 
I have found that both conservatives and liberals / progressives are about equally annoying and wrong on the parenthood, marriage, or nuclear family topics.
Not all progressives or liberals are opposed to women having children; they just believe (and I agree with this concept, though I am a conservative) that women (and men) should be permitted to decide for themselves if they truly want to be a parent or not.
People should not be guilt tripped or pressured into having children.
There are some very fringe, far-out there leftists who are “anti nuclear family” and who are opposed to people having children, and they call themselves “anti natalists.”
I don’t agree with progressives who try to propagandize women (or men) from having children.
I don’t think it’s the progressives’ place to try to brainwash, scold, shame, or guilt trip people from having children.
But then I see the reverse dynamic from a lot of secular and Christian conservatives.
I see people who identify as conservative or Roman Catholic on sites such as GAB who keep pumping out these stupid, horrid, “Have ten kids by the time you’re 30” type memes or comments.
And these views are not even “biblical.”
I’ve discussed why these pro-natalism, “all women should be mothers and WANT to be mothers” views are erroneous in previous posts such as:
You can search my blog to find even more material which explains why logically, morally, and biblically, it is not correct to think God expects, wants, or demands all adults to marry and/or to have children,
and why and how this perspective ends up unnecessarily hurting or stunting people (usually single women, or infertile married ones).
I am reminded of the many Protestant or Baptist mothers online (and their male allies) who are fond of trampling all over the feelings of any person (usually women) who find church- sanctioned, church- supported “Mother’s Day” church services deeply wounding or insensitive.
I have blogged on that topic a few times before, how mothers
– (and it’s not just Protestant ones, some of the cows who insulted me over on Gab recently identify as Catholic parents)
– shame, harass, or dismiss any woman who is uncomfortable with the obsession with motherhood by wider culture or by churches, in posts such as these:
Outside of atheists and transgender activists, some of the most cruel people I’ve ever stumbled across on the internet so far are mothers who have a very unhealthy sense of pride in motherhood,
who push motherhood,
who sit around on blogs or social media mocking women who do not want to have children or who cannot have children, who mock women who find it difficult to attend “Mother’s Day” services at their church.
I’m guessing such nasty, compassionate-less mothers (including some of the ones who have screamed at me or name-called me over these issues on GAB) are Covert Narcissists who had a child only to live through their children (or some of them may be Overt, Grandiose / Malignant Narcissists).
Such mothers view the children as extensions of themselves, and as these children get older, they will move out and probably cut off all ties with the abusive, controlling Narcissistic mothers.
At any rate, here is the polite comment I left below Disco’s “Gab,” and it got rude and obnoxious push back by some other commentators (though at least 2 or 3 people hit the “Like” button on my comment, so at least two persons agreed with it):
Solo Loner@sololoner2
·2 likes·1d
@disco
If someone chooses to have three kids before they’re 30, that’s fine – but it’s not your place, or anyone’s, to lecture or shame someone into having any children at all, at whatever age, any more than it’s acceptable for progressives to pressure people to ~not~ have children.
Also, there’s a category of people who’d like to have children, but they want to marry first, but they cannot find a suitable partner to marry – so they’re unable to have any children at all, at any age.
Seeing messages like this one on social media isn’t going to make them feel any better about their situation.
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#Childless #Single #DecliningMarriageRates #Natalism #Childfree #Matrimania #Singlism #NuclearFamily
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There’s nothing rude or unreasonable in my comment about this, and yet, I received a few very rude, unnecessarily antagonistic remarks.
I myself was largely apathetic about if to have children or not.
(I was raised Baptist, not Catholic, and most Baptists are un-Biblically and abnormally fixated on motherhood and marriage.)
However, I have known women for whom this is a sensitive topic, because they wanted to have children, but are unable to, because they never found “Mr. Right,” or because they (or their spouse) are infertile.
Such women, therefore, find it painful to see photos or videos of babies online, or to listen to their friends who are mothers drone on about their children.
I can just imagine a woman who is childless due to infertility or circumstance visiting a social media platform and scrolling past this obnoxious pro-natalism directive, which is the one someone else on Gab shared, which is how I ended up seeing it on my timeline over on Gab:
A Woman’s Identity Should Not Be Based on Parenthood or Lack Of
I personally find it odd and self-defeating for any woman to define herself, her identify, or her self value on having children.
I don’t see anything in the Bible that teaches that God believes a woman should base her value or identify on if she has children or not.
If you’re a woman who wanted to have children but were unable to for whatever reason, I really hope you come to realize you can still find meaning, joy, and purpose in life, even if you never have a child of your own.
I hope you learn to stop defining yourself by what you lack, or by being childless.
I also hope that these hyper-pro-motherhood Harpies who scream at me over at GAB stop defining their self worth or identify in or on being mothers.
When their child moves out of the house one day, or gets struck by a car tomorrow and dies, leaving them childless, what will these motherhood-obsessed Harpies do?
If I am correct and at least some of these Mothers being nasty to me over on GAB are Narcissists, they will eventually push their children away, they will alienate their own children, who will go ‘grey rock” on them and cut off all contact.
What will these Motherhood-obsessed Harpies do then, when their own child wants nothing to do with them? How will these Narcissists then define themselves, or get their Narcissist supply?
The Roman Catholic on Gab Harpy Calling Me a “Snowflake”
One user tagged a Roman Catholic friend of his to alert her to my comment, so that Catholic lady jumped in to rudely dismiss me as a “snowflake.”
She said something like, “If you don’t like this, go back to Twitter you Snowflake.”
I clicked on her name to visit her profile, and she states in her profile that she is a Catholic.
Here is what that “Rose” person said to me over on Gab (link to that comment by Rose), under my comment (I later blocked her):
(comment by) Rose @CIVILROSE
@sololoner2 @disco
go back to Twitter if you’re gonna be a snowflake
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Here is how I replied to this dip weed before blocking her:
@CIVILROSE @disco
Conservatives who try to dictate how or if people have kids or not and how many and at what age are just as bad as Liberals who do the same, but telling people to NOT have children.
At least I’m a conservative who is being consistent, you Snowflake.
And
Solo Loner@sololoner2 (gab link)
@CIVILROSE @disco
Oh I see from your bio you’re a Catholic? Catholics usually are pro-Natalism to an unBiblical, bizarre degree. That does explain a lot. Go get bent, Rose.
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Yes, her bio over on Gab reads (link):
About
wife + mom + Catholic + millenial
As conservative as they come
CA
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Just like some Independent Baptists (and other Baptist or Protestant sects) adhere to some very extreme, wacked out beliefs about natalism, so too do some Catholics.
Some Catholics lean very, very hard into this baby-making obsession.
Pro-Life Roman Catholics Disparage Single, Celibate, Childless Women
I have followed a pro-life or two Twitter account for years, and I believe at least one of them is by Roman Catholics.
While I appreciate the account’s stance on pro-life, there have been a time or two in years past that they actually shamed and chided women who just choose not to have children.
This particular tweet or two I saw by this Roman Catholic pro-life account was criticizing women who just choose not to have children – their tweet was not even arguing against women who are sexually active or who use birth control or who get abortions, but it was just an oddly flat-out objection to women who do not want to have children, so they do not have children.
The tweet by the pro-life Roman Catholic account was shaming women who simply are not interested in being pregnant, women who just don’t want to have children.
That lousy attitude of theirs would be applicable to single, adult Christian women who are celibate – not only is it sexist and rude, but it’s anti-biblical.
How rude, judgmental and distasteful for any group of self professing Christians, whether Baptist or Catholic, to run around online or real life shaming women who are single and celibate!
The Bible simply does not command any and all to run out, marry, and have children.
I’ve blogged on this numerous times before (so see my other blog posts on these issues),
but no, “Be fruitful and multiply” as mentioned in the book of Genesis was not a timeless directive, especially when one sees the de-emphasis on pro-creation, marriage, and biological family in the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth and Paul the Apostle.
(The “it is not good for man to be alone” as mentioned in Genesis was also not a directive for all to run out and marry and get all companionship needs met via marriage – see my blog posts discussing the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth and Paul the Apostle on that topic too.)
I Guess The Roman Catholic Church Doesn’t Agree With the Bible’s Teaching About Showing Empathy to Others?
As I said above, I didn’t really care either way if I personally ever had children or not, but I can see how this can be a difficult topic for women who definitely do want to have a child but are unable to.
I am not a supporter (Link): of pathological or far left wing “Victimhood Culture.”
(I recently broke up with a friend of mine who has a huge Victimhood Mentality, as a matter of fact, and her Victimhood Mentality was one ingredient of several that led to our friendship break-up.)
I don’t think that showing sensitivity to a person (or group of people) is always or necessarily a case of “being a snowflake.” It would depend on the person and the particular situation.
The Bible asks its readers to show and have empathy for those around them. For instance:
… weep with those who weep.
(Romans 12:15)
If you’re a Roman Catholic, I know that you don’t read the Bible much,
(you look to “Church tradition,” your Magisterium, and your Pope’s ex cathedra statements, to tell you what to think about God, morality, and ethics 🙄),
and your Pope and Roman Catholic Church doesn’t encourage you to read the Bible that often for yourself, but you do believe the Bible is “God’s word to man,” yes?
Well, if so, how can you deride the Bible’s insistence that you show sensitivity when and where appropriate,
and how can you mock having or showing empathy, which is what some of you Catholics or other types of Christian pro-Natalists are doing to me over on GAB?
The Bible does not define people needing empathy and sensitivity as being “Snowflakes.” – Certainly not in any and all situations.
The Bible says that “Jesus wept” at the tomb of Lazarus. (See John 11:1-43)
Was Jesus of Nazareth a “Snowflake” for feeling sad that his friend was dead, that the friend’s death had caused the man’s sisters emotional pain?
There is a time and place where people, yes, do need to have some resilience, and make a decision to move forward in life, even if they have gone through a painful ordeal,
so I’m not a supporter of pathological or progressive “Victimhood Culture,”
but it remains that when someone is going through a troubling ordeal in their life, if they are still processing it, that person could use an empathetic ear and some understanding – not indifference to their pain or mocking.
More recently, I received this rude comment by someone calling herself “Cat.”
Cat@Catnjustme (Link to her Gab profile)
@sololoner2 @disco
Maybe instead of wallowing in talking about loneliness you interact with real people offline.
Sounds like chastising bullshit.
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Oh, the hypocrisy – this person is apparently saying I’m the one doing chastizing, when the person who posted the Natalism Propaganda is the one doing so – I mean, posting a “3 Before 30” meme?
That’s not pressuring, chastizing, or guilt tripping a 20 year old to run out and crank out some children immediately?
How about the 42 year old who had wanted to have kids but is infertile, or who never met Mr. Right, and she didn’t believe in having children (or sex) out of wedlock?
Good lord, do the idiots who post this garbage never consider how it will come across to someone else, or how it may affect others? Or they just do not care?
I guess their pro-Natalism propaganda outweighs everything else?
Here is how “Cat’s” Gab profile reads:
Wife, mom…lover of anime, gaming,and chocolate. #1A, #2A, #MAGA, #Conservative woman. #Trump supporter. Not looking for dates.
Here for the #freedom!
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Here is how I replied to that Loser before blocking her:
Reply 1 to “Cat” (link)
@Catnjustme @disco
Was that comment directed at me?
I don’t “wallow in talking about loneliness.”
My point stands – it’s wrong for anyone to dictate to others if they should have children or not.
Roman Catholics and conservatives are just as wrong to shame or pressure people into having children just as much as progressives and left wing, anti-natalist feminists are to try to pressure people out of having children. Let adults make up their own minds on if they wish to pro-create or not.
#Childfree #Natalism #Parenthood #NuclearFamily #Marriage
Reply 2 to “Cat”
@Catnjustme @disco
BreakPoint Unfortunately Pushing the False and Un-Biblical “Society Needs Marriage and the Nuclear Family” Rhetoric (and I say this as a Conservative)
“Jesus, the founder of Christianity, never married or had children, and he constantly depicted spiritual family as being more important than biological family (see Matthew 12:46-50 and Matthew 10:37,38 for more).”
Post:
(link to post)
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#Natalism #AntiNatalism #Marriage #Christianity #Motherhood #Parenthood
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If you’re a conservative who finds it pushy or wrong for liberals, atheists, or childfree or anti-natalist adults to try to convince or brow-beat other adults from having children, what makes you think it’s any more acceptable for you to do the same, but in the reverse?
There’s certainly nothing biblical about it.
And I don’t regard the Pope or Roman Catholic Church to be authoritative on just about any topic (certainly not in regards to whether adults should have children or not).
I don’t agree with any Protestant or Biblical interpretation that would have one believe that God commands all or most adults to marry and have children, because that is simply false.
Roman Catholic Sexual Abuse / Murder / Physical Abuse of Unwed Mothers, Children
And how pro-children are Roman Catholics, exactly?
Like your Protestant or Baptist counterparts, you Roman Catholics have a huge huge problem with protecting, promoting, and covering for pedophiles.
You permit your priests to molest many children, and you do little to nothing about it.
Then we have the occasional news story breaking out about how nuns at Roman Catholic sponsored orphanages mistreated unmarried mothers and their infant children.
Such as:
(Link): 9,000 children died in Irish mother-and-baby homes, report finds
The 3,000-page report described the emotional and even physical abuse some women were subjected to in the so-called mother-and-baby homes.
January 2021
By Yuliya Talmazan, Adela Suliman and Helena Skinner
Some 9,000 children died in Ireland’s church-run homes for unwed mothers, a government report published on Tuesday found. This is equivalent to 15 percent of all children who were born or lived in the 18 institutions investigated over nearly 80 years.
The nearly 3,000-page report describes the emotional and even physical abuse some of the 56,000 unmarried mothers — from farmhands to domestic servants — were subjected to in the so-called mother-and-baby homes.
“It appears that there was little kindness shown to them and this was particularly the case when they were giving birth,” the report said.
(Link): Mass grave of babies and children found at Tuam care home in Ireland
Excavations at site of home for unmarried mothers and their children, where it is alleged up to 800 children died, uncover human remains
March 2017
A mass grave containing the remains of babies and children has been discovered at a former Catholic care home in Ireland where it has been alleged up to 800 died, government-appointed investigators said on Friday.
Excavations at the site of the former Bon Secours Mother and Baby Home in Tuam, County Galway, have uncovered an underground structure divided into 20 chambers containing “significant quantities of human remains”, the judge-led mother and baby homes commission said.
The commission said analysis of selected remains revealed ages of the deceased ranged from 35 weeks to three years old.
It found that the dead had been mostly buried in the 1950s, when the facility was one of more than a dozen in Ireland offering shelter to orphans, unmarried mothers and their children. The Tuam home closed in 1961.
The home, run by the Bon Secours Sisters, a Catholic religious order of nuns, received unmarried pregnant women to give birth. The women were separated from their children, who remained elsewhere in the home, raised by nuns, until they could be adopted.
The discovery confirms decades of suspicions that the vast majority of children who died at the home were interred on the site in unmarked graves, a common practice at such Catholic-run facilities amid high child mortality rates in early 20th-century Ireland.
The Irish government in 2014 formed the commission following the work of a local Tuam historian, Catherine Corless, who found death certificates for nearly 800 children who were residents at the facility but burial records for only two.
“Everything pointed to this area being a mass grave,” Corless previously told the Guardian. She recalled how boys playing in the field had reported seeing a pile of bones in a hidden underground chamber there in the mid-1970s.
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It’s the year 2022, and I am still seeing news stories of Roman Catholics molesting children and the Roman Catholic Church covering it up:
(Link): Former Jesuit Prep Dallas president protected abusive priest, kept sex assault claims secret
Years before leading Jesuit Prep, the Rev. Phillip Postell participated in a decades-long system of shuffling priests across southern states amid child sex abuse allegations.
March 31, 2022
Published: Apr. 04, 2022
(article is behind a pay wall)
By Kiernan Dunlop
It’s been 20 years since Boston Globe journalists broke the news of widespread child abuse within the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Boston. Lawyer Mitchell Garabedian, who represented the survivors in their claims against the diocese, said he doesn’t think things have improved much since then.
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(Link): French Catholic Church inquiry finds 216,000 paedophilia cases since 1950
Mary 2021
by France24
An investigation into sexual abuse in the French Catholic Church has found that an estimated 216,000 children were victims of abuse by clergy since 1950, Jean-March Sauvé, head of the commission that compiled the report, said on Tuesday.
The revelations in France are the latest to rock the Roman Catholic Church, after a series of sexual abuse scandals around the world, often involving children, over the past 20 years.
The abuse was systemic, Sauvé said at a public, online presentation of the report.
The Church not only did not take the necessary measures to prevent abuse but also turned a blind eye, failing to report abuse and sometimes knowingly putting children in touch with predators, he said.
…The commission was established by Catholic bishops in France at the end of 2018 to shed light on abuses and restore public confidence in the Church at a time of dwindling congregations. It has worked independently from the Church.
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(Link): Canada-wide arrest warrant issued for priest accused of sexual assault – march 2022
Rev. Johannes Rivoire charged with sexual assault on Feb. 22
By David Lochead
A Canada-wide warrant has been issued for the arrest of French Roman Catholic priest Rev. Johannes Rivoire, in relation to a new sexual assault charge laid against him on Feb. 22.
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So… if you are a Roman Catholic, kindly keep your rude, nauseating criticisms of me, where you refer to me, unprovoked, as a “Snowflake,” stop pushing your pro-natalism propaganda when you’re a part of a church that cannot and will not even put a stop to the on-going physical and sexual abuse in your own f*cking church.
Do not presume to lecture me or shame me, call me names, when I oh so initially politely point out how the “Have 3 kids by 30” type bullsh*t is obnoxious, judgemental, too pushy,
and how such material may hurt some infertile woman who is scrolling down her timeline – when especially you’re a member of a church that systematically abuses, kills, and allows priests and nuns to rape or fondle children.
You can’t keep your own side of the aisle clean in regards to children, but you presume to lecture any and all that they are supposedly living life incorrectly, and you will criticize and shame them, if they cannot, or do not, want to have children of their own.
Why do you want adults to have children, so they can attend a Roman Catholic Church where they will be sexually molested by one of your pedophile priests, is that it?
You don’t want your priests to run out of new, potential victims?
If someone decides for herself she wants to have a child (and have one before the age of 30), that’s fine.
If someone decides that parenthood is not for her, so she decides not to have any, or she may not want to have one until later in life, that’s fine too.
Both the left and the right, both the secularists and the religious, are in the wrong to shame or pressure people on whether or not to have children.
People are adults, allow them to make these choices for themselves.
I am not a “snow flake” for pointing any of this out.
Related Posts:
(Link): Do You Rate Your Family Too High? (Christians Who Idolize the Family / Marriage) (article)
(Link): Inside the Growing Movement of Women Who Wish They’d Never Had Kids by S. Treleaven
(Link): More Criticisms of the Pope’s Anti Childless Anti Childfree Comments
(Link): Hey, Pope Francis: Some people would rather raise pets than children by C. Hall
(Link): Pope Francis To Couples: Raise Children, Not Pets
(Link): Site for Parents Who Have Been Dumped By Their Adult Kids
(Link): Jesus Christ Removed the Stigma, Shame From Being Single and Childless – by David Instone Brewer
(Link): Nearly 4 in 10 American Adults Live Without Spouse or Partner As Single Population Grows: Pew
(Link): Fewer Americans Think Marriage is Needed To Create Strong Families, New Poll Suggest
(Link): Three Reasons Women’s Ministries Might Want to Focus Less on Marriage and Motherhood
(Link): The Gift of Singleness – A Mistranslation and a Poorly Used Cliche’
(Link): Billboards by Leftists Imploring that Everyone Should Stop Having Kids Start Popping Up
(Link): Couple Accused of Using Electric Shock Device on Their Children
(Link): The Myth of the Gift – Re Christian Teachings on Gift of Singleness and Gift of Celibacy
(Link): Can We Stop Saying Singleness is God’s Will? by Anonymous via Sheila Wray Gregoire
(Link): Family as “The” Backbone of Society? – It’s Not In The Bible
(Link): Parents Who Regret Having Children Speak Honestly About Why It Was A Huge Mistake
(Link): Why Having Kids Won’t Fulfill You
(Link): Sorry, but being a mother is not the most important job in the world by Catherine Deveny
(Link): Is The Church Failing Childless Women? by Diane Paddison
(Link): Happy Mother’s Day From the Moms on Whisper Who Hate Their Kids
(Link): Don’t Judge Me, I’m Childless (from Today’s Christian Woman)
(Link): Bearden: Staying childless right decision for many women
(Link): ‘It’s a break from the kids’: Why parents cheat more than childless couples
(Link): Why Are So Many Single Women Leaving the Church? by K. Gaddini
(Link): Celibate Christian Woman Asks Christian Host (Pat Robertson) Why God Will Not Send Her a Husband
(Link): Single Adult Christian Pressured Into Marriage by Her Church – And Regrets It
(Link): Single People Aren’t Problems to Be Fixed or Threats to Be Neutralized By Ella Hickey
(Link): God’s Babies: Natalism and Bible Interpretation in Modern America
(Link): The Stupid Advice We Give To Single Women Over 40 (from the Current Conscience Blog)
(Link): Why Are So Many Professional Millennial Women Unable To Find Dateable Men?
(Link): Bride Battling Cancer Dies 18 Hours After Exchanging Vows
(Link): Christian Couple Dies in Helicopter Crash Hours After ‘Fairytale’ Wedding
(Link): Craigslist confessional: I’m in my 40s, never married, and a virgin—but I’m happy by Abigail
(Link): Editorial by H. Betts: Why would I breed? life is better without kids
(Link): Codependence Is Not Oneness: What Christians Get Wrong About Relationships
(Link): How the Dating Scene Became Stacked Against Women
(Link): Parent Dressed As Easter Bunny Hands Out Eggs With Condoms Inside to Children at Elementary School
(Link): Learning to See Your Single Neighbor by H. Stallcup
(Link): The Nuclear Family Was A Mistake – by David Brooks – and Related Links
(Link): American Romance Standards Are Changing as People Have Less Sex and Marriage Rates Drop
(Link): I Married Young. I Was Widowed Young. I Never Want A Long-Term Partner Again by R. Woolf
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