The Real Bully: Not Tolerating and Misrepresenting Trump Voters and All Who Are Concerned About Islamic Terrorism Via Refugee Programs
The woman whose blog post I am addressing is guilty of the very things she accuses others of. The irony.
I am not positive, but I believe the following was written by the same woman who I had to un-follow or mute on Twitter over her non-stop ‘Never Trump’ ranting several months ago (and/or she Tweeted me several times disagreeing with my links to news stories about Islamic refugees who had raped women or killed people). (I believe she is on Twitter here (Link): @MYsongofpraise )
I am neither strongly for or against Trump.
I did not like Trump’s sexist comments or behavior, as reported in the media. I do think that gender complementarian Christians should have spoken out more forcefully against Trump’s sexism than they did.
In my view, some who support Trump go over board, but then, so do people who are opposed to Trump.
You have Trump supporters who get vitriolic over the mildest criticisms of Trump or his policies, and they seem to feel Trump is the second coming of Jesus and can walk on water and do no wrong.
On the other hand, Liberal Anti- Trumpers and conservative Never Trumpers are equally bad, but in the opposite direction – they behave as though Trump is the reincarnation of Hitler, which he is most certainly not (and the non-stop comparisons by them of Trump to Hitler cheapens the horror of the Holocaust).
Here is the person and blog post I am responding to (I will include excerpts from the post further below):
(Link): Watchblogging and #evangelicalbetrayal – from the “On Hope” blog, the URL contains the phrase “atckmelodythoughts”
The individual who is behind that blog post – I shall refer to her as “Hope” (is her name Melody?) – describes herself as a moderate conservative.
If I remember correctly, and unless I am confusing her with another person, I followed “Hope” on Twitter several months ago ((Link): @MYsongofpraise ) ) but had to un-follow her, as she is a rabid Never-Trumper. The frequent anti-Trump rants, and their companion worst-case assumptions of Trump supporters or Trump voters, got tiresome to read.
This blogger is (again, assuming this is the same person I encountered on Twitter months ago), very naive concerning Islamic-motivated terrorism in Western nations.
She’s the sort who wants Americans (and others) willy nilly accepting refugees from Islamic nations, without seemingly caring about the possible negative ramifications involved.
She thinks it’s mean, cruel, or un-Christlike to exercise caution and prudence into accepting migrants, refugees, and immigrants into one’s nation. We’re supposed to allow touchie-feelie, bleeding heart sentiments over-ride caution and good sense in regards to national security.
In her (Link): blog post, she says (and note: she is talking about President Donald J. Trump in the following paragraph):
Christians have now been effectively divided by the worst kind of reviler [she refers to Trump], and those who support him despite his pattern of public abuses [she refers again to Trump] are even proud of doing so, and censure those who won’t.
The very watchbloggers [she is likely meaning Deb and Dee of the Wartburg Watch blog] who cared about exposing evil are silent in the face of ongoing public abuse of journalists, attacks on alleged abuse victims, and humiliating by proxy of free thinkers who dare to speak truth to power or simply ask questions. They don’t seem to realize these abusive attacks ultimately endanger their own freedom of speech or ability to combat abuse.
I saw Hope (or Melody) leave a post at WW (Wartburg Watch) recently, complaining in a round-about way that the ladies behind WW, Deb and Dee, were not supporting abuse victims because they do not permit political argumentation to occur on their blog.
I really do not see the connection there, and I’m not a dummy.
I fail to see how prohibiting regular or full-scale political debate on one’s spiritual abuse blog is somehow the same thing as facilitating the cover-up of something like, say, child rape by pastors.
I don’t always visit WW consistently, but if I am following developments correctly from what I have seen lately, another WW visitor named David (who has his own blog) apparently left posts critical of Trump (or some political figure) on the WW blog, which Deb and Dee later removed (as is their policy). “Hope” (also known as Melody) seems quite upset by this.
Deb and Dee of The Wartburg Watch blog usually choose to focus on subjects such as child abuse that is covered up by churches, and on spiritual abuse conducted by Christian churches – which is their prerogative, as it is their blog.
When “Hope” complains at WW, and there on her own blog, about “watch bloggers” (meaning, the women at Wartburg Watch blog) supposedly not caring about “exposing evil” and other such melodramatic references – due to their rule about not wanting political debates to take place in their comments section, as politics is not the focus on their blog or mission – she is really just upset that WW is not an Anti-Trump venue or is not promoting a “Never Trump” position on their blog. That’s what it boils down to.
First of all, it’s highly presumptuous of Hope / Melody to insist that Deb and Dee (the women behind WW blog) should blog to suit her. It’s their blog, they get to call the shots.
If Hope feels so strongly about Trump, why doesn’t she start her own blog and post Anti Trump content all day?
Secondly, Hope presumes without proving.
She is (I can only take it), referring to Trump in the paragraphs above, as though he is a monster who is going to send all American journalists off to the ovens and jail any dissenters. The man has been in office for a month or two now, and none of that has happened.
The worst the guy (Trump) does is Tweet his disagreements with journalists on his Twitter account, hardly something to hyperventilate about.
I want to reiterate here that I’m not strongly for or against Trump – which makes me a hell of a lot more objective than Hope or than most “Trump Trainers,” anti Trumpers, or Never Trumpers out there.
On her blog, (Link): she writes:
Lately, it is the atheists, who are the ones who see clearly and truly tell it as it is. The Christians in other countries who see this may rightfully wonder why we send them missionaries, when the American church acts like spoilt brats complaining of danger while rejecting those fleeing war. If it is for freedom and love that Christ has set us free, why are American evangelicals some of the most miserly and cruel? How is it that they are so easily turned against their neighbor?
And those dangers posed by refugees that folks are concerned about are in fact very real, they exist (links to follow, farther below, as this post goes on) – not like your souped up crazed paranoia that Trump is going to shoot all journalists in their faces for publishing critical pieces of him.
The Bible says you are not to bear false witness against your neighbor. But here Hope is, distorting the views of those who disagree with her.
Hope is misrepresenting the motives and views of those who don’t share her warm ‘n fuzzy “accept all refugees from Islamic nations” mindset, or her hatred and suspicion of President Trump.
Concerning Trump, some who voted for the guy did so in SPITE of the man’s sexism, not because of it. For her to sit there on her blog and on Twitter and act as though everyone who voted for him did so due to nefarious motives is deceitful and uncharitable on her part.
Here is an essay by a liberal woman who voted for Trump, where she implores the Trump haters, such as Hope, to stop bashing her and undestand WHY she voted for Trump:
I am an urban, millennial woman, and I voted for Trump. Now, I’m afraid to explain my reasoning to an angry, vitriolic left that will not listen to me.
You know who the bully is? People such as Hope who scold, shame, and browbeat folks who didn’t vote the way she thinks they should have.
The actual bully here is the one who argues that any one who doesn’t walk lock-step with her concerning Trump or refugee policies is evil, supports evil, or loves abuse, and is not “Christian enough.”
You, Hope (a k a “Melody”), are actually behaving towards your philosophical and political opponents the way you accuse THEM and Trump of acting.
You were even using your Twitter account as a bully pulpit to snipe at folks – similar to what Trump does with his Twitter account. Let that sink in and chew on it for awhile.
These passages are applicable (Romans 14)-
Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.
5 One person considers one day more sacred than another;another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. 6 Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.
That could be re-stated as:
One Christian considers Hillary Clinton more sacred than Trump; another considers Trump more sacred (or less evil) than Clinton. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. Whoever regards one political candidate as special does so as to the Lord.
Concerning refugees and Islam.
I happen to be concerned about the safety of American citizens, which means, I support limits on refugee / migrant / immigrant numbers, and making sure that those who do obtain access are here LEGALLY and are thoroughly vetted.
None of that makes me cruel, heartless, or a great big “meanie.”
“Loving your neighbor as yourself” does not mean setting aside prudence, safety, or common sense.
“Loving your neighbor as yourself” does not mean leaving your car doors unlocked when you go out shopping so a thief can steal your car. It does not mean leaving your home’s doors unlocked and windows wide open so a burglar can sneak in and steal your television set or slit your throat.
“Loving your neighbor as yourself” does not mean being a codependent doormat and a push-over.
“Loving your neighbor as yourself” does not mean allowing heart- tugging photos of dead toddler refugee children washed up on a beach over-ride practical cautions or national security measures on behalf of the still-living who have no desire to get blown up by Muslim radicals because you are weepy or concerned with how we look to foreigners.
Get a grip.
Further, I don’t give a rat’s ass how these views of mine as a U.S. citizen on this issue are regarded by left wingers in France, Germany, or Scandinavia – areas, by the way, which have Muslim refugees who have been groping and raping European little boys and adult women.
Where is Hope’s compassion or concern for VICTIMS of Islamic based terrorism and sexual assault, some of which is carried out by Refugees from Islamic nations?
I am more nervous about an ISIS member sneaking into the U.S.A. from among Refugees than I am about anything Trump may Tweet from his Twitter account tomorrow.
The following is more alarming than Trump, or just about anything Trump says or does
(by the way, if memory serves, and unless I am confusing her with another woman I had a run-in with on Twitter, Hope – also known as Melody – has a nasty, intellectually dishonest habit of refusing to accept news reports from any news source that conflicts with her views of the world – how very convenient for her):
Hope writes on her blog,
The seeds that led to this evangelical betrayal were sown in the willingness to cover up sexual abuses of the most vulnerable and precious people so the show could go on, and in the superior attitudes that lead to world missions that spread Americanity and lack humility. (Again, remember I have personal experience of this subculture, and I have not lost my faith because God is both good and love.)
The callousness that it takes to condemn the innocent has manifested itself in a culturally acceptable callousness that hates and rejects innocent victims of war for the religion they were born into overseas.
Those 10,000 plus refugee kids that are missing in Europe apparently don’t matter to watchbloggers equal to American children, or to the “prolife,” equal to unborn American babies. And the same folk who reject all Muslims, send out missionaries and thank servicemembers and their spouses, as if they really care about our emotional or physical safety.
I frame this as a betrayal because that is the best description of how this has gone down for those of us Christians, from whatever perspective, who stood against this insidious bullyculture.
…Many of them reading this won’t be able to get past the fact I frame it this personally- that I see fit to judge them on their character according to their actions and attitudes. Their feelings being hurt is more of an issue to them than getting to and speaking the truth responsibly when human lives are at stake.
I come from a military family. Several of my family members are military.
If you don’t believe that some or most Muslims are terrorists, than how can you argue that discussing the relation between Islam and terrorism can entice a Muslim overseas to kill your military husband?
In other words, if your world-view is correct and there is no link between terrorism and Islam (i.e. all Muslims are innocent as little doves and don’t want to murder “infidels”), it should not matter if folks like me ring the alarm bell that allowing Islamic refugees into a nation may raise the possibility of more terror attacks.
If Americans and Christians ceased talking or posting about Islam and terrorism, it would not halt Islamic terror attacks. -You do realize that, right?
One reason the radical Muslims want to kill us is simply because we are not Muslims. They want to take over the world for Allah, to establish a Caliphate. Therefore, whether we tweet about how terrible they are or not and how they are terrorists is not going to sway them either way.
If Christians didn’t care about Muslims at all, then why oh why are they indeed sending missionaries out to convert them? Muslims who convert to Christianity are less likely to blow up civilians in the name of Jesus than the name of Allah. Isn’t that a good thing?
How bullying of you to insist bloggers blog to YOUR dictates and YOUR PET CAUSES.
How vomitous and callous of you not to give a damn, or take into serious consideration, the possibility of Americans (and other Westerners) being run over by cars, knifed, shot, or blown up by Islamic terrorists – some of whom have stated that they will seek to enter other nations via Refugee programs?
This is reality, sweet pea (you can Google and find many more news reports confirming this):
I guess Hope (Melody) does not care about the children (and women) being raped or groped by Islamic refugees and immigrants, such as:
LONDON — Some scandals are so massive that they’re simply hard to believe. As many as one million white English children may have been the victims of Muslim rape gangs, better known as grooming gangs, in towns up and down Great Britain.
Suppression of data about migrant rapes is “Germany-wide phenomenon.
Where is Hope’s concern over these innocent women and children being raped or fondled by Islamic refugees? I guess she doesn’t love her neighbor as herself – how completely vomitous of her.
How dare Hope betray the populations of nations such as the USA, Germany, Sweden, and Great Britain.
And why is it Deb and Dee’s responsibility to turn their WW blog into a Pro-Refugee, Anti-Trump resource? That is pretty arrogant of her to demand or expect that or act like a petulant child when they won’t go along with that.
It’s also pretty arrogant to assume that their chosen focus – spiritual abuse in American / Western churches – somehow translates to them not caring about anyone outside of the United States? Maybe they do care but just choose not to highlight those particular topics on their blog.
Here is an editorial cartoon for Hope (via Twitter) –note: there is further commentary below this image:
The woman behind that blog, Hope (aka “Melody”) is quite presumptuous and sanctimonious.
Regarding this comment by Hope (source):
“Their feelings being hurt is more of an issue to them than getting to and speaking the truth responsibly when human lives are at stake.”
That is the pot calling the kettle black. You are asking people, such as Americans, to allow their feelings to over-ride mature, sensible, logical safety measures and concerns, all because you see a few sad photos of dead refugee kids washed up on beaches.
You, Hope, are the one asking me to put my personal physical safety at risk because of your misguided notion of what it means to be compassionate to refugees. Nope. That’s not going to fly.
The audacity you have. What an arrogant cookie you are.
If people don’t see eye to eye with you on debatable matters, you automatically cast them as bullies, jerks, or meanies.
Bear with me also, because in the government of the culture I grew up in, people yell at and mock each other then go out and get drinks together having had a splendid debate, and having made progress as a nation, despite differences.
One of the wider problems of American culture is the inability to debate respectfully and say tough things to each other and yet stay in the debate without insulting each other and being cruel or petty. The evangelical church here is notoriously thin-skinned, and I say this as a sensitive person myself.
You are guilty there of those very things yourself. You have insulted anyone and everyone who does not share YOUR views.
You cannot accept that other people can have equally valid yet differing views to yours, so you resort to casting negative motives on them, such as assuming that they are heartless, non-neighbor-loving, sexist pigs.
All because they voted for a candidate you did not like, or because they believe immigrants should be properly vetted, and because they actually see that radical Islam poses a danger to Western societies (ISIS is not sending Non-Muslim persons roses and teddy bears but men wearing suicide vests, or nuts mowing civilians down with trucks).
And it is a personal rejection of anyone like me who grew up overseas. (I was told to go back to the UK for my concern for refugees back in 2015. Most Christians were silent or said the same kinds of things to me.)
And just today, the UK suffered yet another terror attack, in London: a guy drove over several pedestrians and stabbed someone to death.
Dollars to doughnuts that the Loon behind today’s London attack turns out to be a Muslim.
March 22, 2017
A man killed four people, including a police officer, outside the UK Parliament on Wednesday in what British police are looking at as an act of “Islamist-related terrorism.”
I bet you anything the punk responsible for that attack was NOT a Lutheran or a Methodist. Oh, but how Hope’s heart bleeds for refugees (and how she will deny there is such a thing as radical Muslims who do kill Westerners and others). No compassion for the victims of the violent refugees or the radical Muslims from Hope, no.
Do you not see the in-congruence of railing against Saeed Abendini’s domestic abuse while supporting the Americanity of Franklin Graham? Do you not understand the craziness of claiming to care about religious freedom while praising Russia? Do you seriously not understand the brazen hypocrisy of claiming to care about abuse victims (or even being a survivor oneself) and still voting for a self avowed “p*ssy-grabber”?
Some Christians who spoke out against Saeed also speak out against Franklin Graham’s excesses – but so what if they do not? Why does everyone have to have all the same exact boxes of out-rage ticked off on the Outrage Chart that you do?
Why do you feel you are the final or only arbiter of what or who other Christians or Americans should or should not support or condemn?
I condemn Trump’s sexism and even Tweeted numerous links against it during the 2016 elections, but unlike you, I don’t have the arrogance to shame and scold those who voted for the guy, or to accuse them all of being abuse supporters, abuse deniers, or sexists.
Again, many who voted for Trump voted for Trump in spite of his sexism, not because of it.
Evangelicals and others who voted for Trump voted for him because they didn’t want another eight years of failed Obama policy in office, which is what we would have had under Hillary Clinton. They didn’t believe an establishment Republican nominee would bring actual change to Washington.
Some Trump voters wanted a conservative SCOTUS judge nominated, which they would not have gotten under Hillary.
Some of the folks who voted Trump did so because they believed he may be able to jump-start the economy.
In light of all those differing (and understandable) reasons people had for voting for Trump, none having to do with hating women, with hating all Muslims, or with hating black people, or with supporting abuse –
Hope, where in the holy hell do you get off equating every one who voted for Trump with people who excuse or cover up abuse – with child abuse, domestic wife abuse, spiritual abuse? Why not also accuse them of hating rainbows and puppies while you’re at it?
Imagine what you are putting missionaries through- who love their Muslim neighbors.
I cannot imagine how you can be so thoroughly ignorant of the dangers radical Muslims pose to Western societies.
You want to place political correctness and what Muslims may think about us against our safety. Talk about having your priorities out of order. Talk about being codependent.
By the way… (and spoiler: their conversions have nothing to do with how American Christians act or if they voted for Trump or not):
Imagine how it is for their kids wanting a college education “back home” when a prominent evangelical college president lets slip the idea of “taking out those Muslims,” as if all such religious folk are extremist murderers!
Did he say ALL Muslims are “extremist murderers”? I don’t believe so. If they want to take his comment that way, that’s their responsibility.
Here’s a video by a moderate Muslim who agrees with me, not with Hope:
I couldn’t even post a photo of the Obamas either as a milspouse or as an American citizen to advertise the time of his farewell speech without a nasty ad hominem comment about him on my Facebook from a former watchblogger friend who chose to delete me because I said (in summary) not cool.
I had to detach indefinitely from a Christian family member for the same unrepentant uncalled-for response to a photo wishing a former president well. How is any of that behavior Christlike?
…And I am a moderate conservative and was no fan of Obama’s politically. But I can’t say I respect the man on any level without being accused of being a globalist or liberal by so many professing Christians.
I am not an Obama supporter. However, had I been your Facebook friend, it would not have bothered me in the slightest had you posted a “good luck in the future to Obama” type photo.
I am a right winger, but I would’ve found such a post by you wishing Obama well classy, harmless, in good taste, and so I would not have left you a nasty comment about it. So please, stop lumping all your right wing friends into the same rubric. We’re not all alike.
Hope said (in the comments on her blog page),
However, I do not accept nor understand Christians refusing to talk about or allow discussion of a significant and serious pattern of lying, alleged and repeated sexual abuse extending to possible spousal rape, and bullying of individual citizens and a free press by a political candidate favored by a vast majority of evangelical voters, on a blog ostensibly devoted to exposing spiritual abuses.
Trump, though, is not a spiritual leader. He’s a businessman who became a politician.
You honestly do not grasp how lambasting anyone who voted for the guy and doing so on a blog such as WW won’t offend Trump voters who lurk or post there? Or you just don’t care?
(Again: I did not vote for Trump myself, but I’m not going to assume the worst of every one who did.)
You have people who voted for Trump who are good, kind, moral people, including some evangelicals. You, however, continue to equate any and all who voted for Trump as being monsters.
You want WW readers to sit and read posts which say in effect,
“If you voted for Trump, you are evil, wrong, horrible, stupid, and you probably rape children for fun in your spare time. And Jesus loves me more than you because I did not vote for Trump. Thank you God for not making me like the sinful tax collectors or the Trump voters.”
And you really don’t see how that won’t cause a conflict or upset? Are you serious? And are you that obnoxious and arrogant?
By calling them abuse deniers, abuse supporters, and so on, you are being highly offensive. People will spend more time on that WW blog screaming at each other over politics than being supportive of spiritual abuse victims.
As to the substance of your accusations in the above excerpt:
What did Trump supposedly lie about, specifically? Where is your proof that Trump lied?
I should pause here to say that a lot of the stuff Trump Tweets – the man exaggerates, and the American media take him way too literally.
I wonder sometimes if Trump is playing the media – if he is, it works. The media are forever running down rabbit holes. I don’t think some of what the guy tweets is a lie per se, so much as it’s the way he communicates – the way he phrases things. He likes to over-state things, but I do not think he is deliberately trying to mislead anyone.
Last I checked, we still have a free press. Trump is not having reporters lined up and shot in their faces. The media is all over him, criticizing his every comment and policy.
As to Trump’s sexism, etc, even if I grant that point, what were people supposed to do, either sit the election out, or vote for Hillary?
Or write “Donald Duck” or “Mickey Mouse” in on the ballot?
The WW blog exists primarily to discuss topics such as complementarianism and spiritual abuse. That they may periodically allow a politically- tinged comment to go through by a member, despite their “no politics” policy, doesn’t mean they want the entire focus on their blog to be upon politics or Trump.
By the way, someone voting for a candidate you personally find repulsive is not a form of “abuse.”
A blog that chooses not to devote all its time and energy on ragging on that candidate you dislike is also not “abuse.”
Theirs is mostly a religious based blog, not a political one. It’s not rocket science to understand why they don’t want to broadcast “Never Trump” paranoia and loathing such as yours 24 hours a day, seven days a week.
As a reminder yet again: I did not vote for ANYONE in this last election, not Trump nor Hillary.
(But I also understand why some may have felt moved to vote for one or the other, or for a third party candidate.)
I could have told you in 2015 that if this person were to become president, our nation would be a bullyculture and that the most vulnerable people worldwide would be harmed by that; that people would die as a result of it. And so it now is.
My dear, Trump is trying to protect us from the true bullies, which consist of…
The liberals (including the ones who by and large make up our media) who seek to use political correctness and the courts to shut the mouths of Christians and conservatives, to run Christian bakers, photographers and florists out of business, and the radical Muslims who want to literally kill us all. You have some of your views so terribly backwards, it’s painful to read.
Your attitude towards those who don’t share your perspectives is so very condescending and sanctimonious. And you wonder why some friends are deleting you or de-friending you or muting you on social media?
I suspect it’s due less to your views as they are but your manner in stating them, or that you are on this unrelenting crusade to keep pestering people over and over about these matters. And that you are dictating to people, as though you are a supervisor about how and what, they should blog about.
There’s nothing mean or hateful about speaking out and against Islamic terrorism, the possibility that some terrorists may infiltrate other nations via refugees, and there’s nothing demonic in and of itself for voting for Trump (which I did not personally do), and voting for Trump does not make one a racist, sexist, or a villain.
Until and unless you grasp those concepts, you’re going to keep mistreating people and keep alienating them.
Trump isn’t the bully, Hope. The people who have understandable, logical, and rational caution about accepting just any and all Islamic refugees into their nations are not the bullies, Hope. You are. You’re showing the very traits in your attitude that you accuse others of having.
Edit. Pertinent to this conversation:
A week ago, Moore met with denominational leader Frank Page over an investigation into numerous complaints regarding the ERLC. The criticism centers around Moore’s vocal opposition to Trump and his campaign, his characterization of the faith and motives of Trump’s Christian supporters, and whether such messaging (toward fellow Southern Baptists not DC lawmakers) extended beyond the proper role of the ERLC president.
Moore reiterated and clarified the apology he shared in December, but ultimately stood by his positions.
“I stand by those convictions, but I did not separate out categories of people well—such that I wounded some, including close friends,” said Moore. “I cannot go back and change time, and I cannot apologize for my underlying convictions. But I can—and do—apologize for failing to distinguish between people who shouldn’t have been in the same category with those who put politics over the gospel and for using words, particularly in social media, that were at times overly broad or unnecessarily harsh. That is a failure on my part.”
…In Monday’s statement, Moore repeated that fellow Southern Baptists have “reasonable and defensible” reasons to disagree with him on matters of conscience, such as how to vote in the 2016 election.
This post has been edited to add new links, and may be edited in the future to add further thoughts or to correct errors