Widow, 35, and Her 12-Year-Old Son Are Knifed To Death By Violent Russian Criminal She Met On A Dating Site

Widow, 35, and Her 12-Year-Old Son Are Knifed To Death By Violent Russian Criminal She Met On A Dating Site

(Link): Widow, 35, and Her 12-Year-Old Son Are Knifed To Death By Violent Russian Criminal She Met On A Dating Site

by Will Stewart, November 9, 2018

A 35-year-old widow and her 12-year-old son have been stabbed to death by a violent criminal she met on a dating website.

[Photo caption: Ekaterina [the murder victim] (left) had met Batygin [the killer] on a dating website after her 61-year-old husband Vadim (together right) had died from a heart attack]

Ekaterina Smirnova was killed by Dmitry Batygin, 30, at her home in Moscow which was then filled with gas in the hopes it would explode and destroy evidence.

Police say Batygin carefully planned the murders, wearing shoe covers to disguise his shoe-prints and gloves so as not to leave fingerprints behind.

Chris Watts Accused Of Having Affair With A Man He Met On Homosexual Dating Site Before Allegedly Killing Wife and Kids

Chris Watts Accused Of Having Affair With A Man He Met On Homosexual Dating Site Before Allegedly Killing Wife and Kids

Let’s hear it for those false Christian teachings about marriage and fatherhood!

Like, it’s supposedly necessary (many conservative Christians and their think tanks insist) for someone to get married and have children to be fully mature self-less and responsible. And supposedly if everyone was in a Nuclear Family, all sin in the United States would cease to exist!

Next, we have some Christians who teach or imply that marriage is some kind of reward for those who become godly or develop some other qualities (yes, some of the Christian literature I read as I was growing up taught this sort of thing).

As you can see, though, from all the losers (like the guy below) who do end up getting married, a person does not have to be godly, wonderful, physically attractive, responsible, or mature, to gain a spouse. God is obviously not with-holding spouses from the inept or sleazy – if he were, we wouldn’t see losers like this one getting married.

(Link): Pregnant Woman Had ‘Marital Problems’ with Husband Accused of Murdering Her and Daughters

(Link):  Man claims he had affair with dad accused of killing wife, kids

(Link):  Chris Watts: Man claims he ‘dated’ husband accused of killing wife and daughters ‘after meeting him on gay dating app’

(Link):  Dad Chris Watts – accused of murdering pregnant wife and daughters – trawled hook-up apps for gay sex, news show caller claims

…”I asked him to make sure he’s not bisexual cause he had two children. He told me he didn’t know. At that moment he was attracted to me as a male,” the man told Banfield.

The man even bizarrely claims he spent time with Watts’ family after he was apparently reassured by Watts that he no longer had sex with his wife.

US TV host Ashleigh Banfield – who fronts the show Crime & Justice – said she spoke to the man but admits she can’t stand up his claims.

“He reached out to me and messaged me,'” the man alleged.

 “It was small talk. He told me his age. He had two daughters.

“He told me he was looking for a relationship in the long run.

“I asked why his profile said straight. He said he was not out and not ready to be out as far as sexuality.”

Watts was said to have been having an affair with a female colleague, however the man now alleges Watts, 33, was not sure of his sexuality.

(Link): Chris Watts Accused Of Having Affair With A Man Before Allegedly Killing Wife & Kids — Watch

Excerpts:

A man went on live TV on Aug. 28 and claimed he had alleged 10-month affair with Chris Watts before Chris allegedly killed his pregnant wife and two daughters. The alleged lover also claimed he met Chris’ kids!

Chris Watts, 33, (Link): admitted to an affair with a co-worker, according to his arrest affidavit, and now an unidentified man has come forward to allege he had a sexual relationship with Chris.

Wife Kills Husband in Argument Over Porn

Wife Kills Husband in Argument Over Porn

It doesn’t look to me as though marriage makes people more godly or mature. Al Mohler and other Christians need to walk back that pro- marriage propaganda they’re always spewing, in light of news items such as this:

(sorry, but I can’t finish this post tonight, my web connection sucks – I’ll see if I can fix things…)

According to one article, she killed him because he was watching too much porn on TV. Well, I hope that was some spectacular porn, because he paid for it with his life.

(Link):  She Shot Her Husband After He Bought Porn

(Link):  Arkansas woman shoots, kills husband over pornography, police say

An Arkansas woman was arrested Saturday after telling police she shot and killed her husband because he bought pornography, officials said.

The Jefferson County Sheriff’s Office said in a news release it received a call around 2:30 p.m. from 69-year-old Patricia Hill, who told dispatchers she just shot her 65-year-old husband, Frank.

Woman ‘Strangled her BDSM Lover During Rough Sex’ then ‘Chopped Up the Body and Kept His Head in the Fridge’

Woman ‘Strangled her BDSM Lover During Rough Sex’ then ‘Chopped Up the Body and Kept His Head in the Fridge’

There are times it is good to be single and celibate, distinct advantages, like not having to marry so much as being decapitated by a romantic partner.

(Link): Woman ‘Strangled her BDSM Lover During Rough Sex’ then ‘Chopped Up the Body and Kept His Head in the Fridge‘ – July 2018

WARNING: DISTRESSING CONTENT
-Anastasia Onegina, 21, killed lover Dmitry Sinkevich, 24, a former policeman
-Onegina and Sinkevich were known to have been interested in the occult
-Corpse was butchered with kitchen knife to make it look like Satanic idol

A 21-year-old Russian student ‘accidentally strangled her lover during a rough sex session’ then dismembered his body in a grotesque Satanic sacrificial ritual, says a lawyer.

Anastasia Onegina killed lover Dmitry Sinkevich, 24, a former policeman and conscript soldier, at her flat in Oryol before slicing him up using a kitchen knife.

She beheaded him, cut off his genitals and cheeks, severed his limbs, removed several fingers and toes and then gutted him.

Tinder Murder: Boxer Killed and Dismembered Date Because She Lied About Being A Virgin

Tinder Murder: Boxer Killed and Dismembered Date Because She Lied About Being A Virgin

What a nut.

(Link): Tinder Murder: Boxer Killed and Dismembered Date Because She Liked About Being A Virgin

May 2018

Gary Chu is believed to have killed Yee-min Huang after the pair met on the dating app – before going on to kill himself.

Detectives said Chu, 28, is believed to have murdered her in a jealous rage after finding out she was not a virgin.

Officers also suspect Huang, 27, had been cheating on him at the time of the killing.

Woman Accused of Serving Lover’s Remains in Barbecue

Woman Accused of Serving Lover’s Remains in Barbecue

Good lord.

(Link): Woman Accused of Serving Lover’s Remains in Barbecue

Excerpts

An Indiana woman who injected her husband with a lethal dose of heroin before smothering him with a pillow may be responsible for nine other deaths — and is suspected of serving her lover’s remains to unsuspecting neighbors at a barbecue.

Gold State Killer and Serial Rapist Joseph James DeAngelo Is a Father

As I was just saying in the last post:

Let us once more, for the millionth time on this blog, point out what Christian – and sometimes secular – conservatives get wrong (I am speaking here as a conservative myself, one who at times disagrees with other conservatives), in lieu of news stories like the one I am copying below:

-Marriage does not make people more godly, responsible, mature, or ethical

-God does not require a single adult who desires marriage to become pure, holy, godly, or perfect before he sends them a spouse

-The Christian “Equally Yoked” rule is unnecessary and too limiting for Christian women who’d like to marry, since there are not enough Christian single men for Christian single women to marry.
Furthermore, many Christian men turn out to be adulterers, pedophiles, wife abusers, and god only knows what else they are guilty of (see (Link): this list for examples), so that Christian single women are better off selecting a man to marry based on his actions and character, rather than his stated religious beliefs.

I mention all that because news broke today that some guy known to be a serial rapist and serial killer in 1970s and 1980s California was also apparently married, or at least the father of children (this is from a Tweet by the New York Times):

The suspect, Joseph James DeAngelo, who has adult children, was twice employed as a police officer in California: In Exeter from 1973 to 1976, and in Auburn from 1976 to 1979, according to the sheriff of Sacramento County.

Nothing about being married or a parent (or even having been a police officer) at one stage turned this guy into an up-standing, law abiding citizen.

More links:

Golden State Killer: Ex-cop Joseph James DeAngelo arrested as suspect in serial murder-rapes

by Doug Stanglin, April 2018

After six days of surveillance and the analysis of a discarded DNA sample, police in Sacramento arrested a 72-year-old ex-cop Wednesday as the suspected Golden State Killer in a series of rapes and murders that terrorized California communities in the 1970s and 1980s.

Brit Arrested For Kicking His Thai Wife to death After She Spurned His Advances

Brit Arrested For Kicking His Thai Wife to death After She Spurned His Advances

Obviously, the murder is horrific – but I also note that the husband is 51 years old, the wife was 29. Here is what I’ve said before about such  (Link): May December relationships?

Any way, if you’re a single woman like me who had wanted to marry, but still find yourself single, such news stories show that being married in and of itself is not a great thing if your husband is an abusive loser, like this guy in this article.

Let this also go to show (yet again) that marriage does not make people more godly, mature, or responsible, as so many Marriage-Idolating, Anti-Singles Christians and conservative think tanks like to argue.

(Link): Brit Arrested For Kicking His Thai Wife to death After She Spurned His Advances

April 2018

A British man has been arrested in Thailand for allegedly kicking his wife to death after she refused to have sex with him.

Kevin Smitham, 51, had been staying with wife Kanda Smitham, 29, and their parents in Ubon Ratchathani, Thailand, during the Songkran new year holiday.

But he is said to have flown into a drunken jealous rage — accusing his wife of cheating on him when she refused to have sex on Sunday evening.

Texas Church Shooter, Who Was An Anti-Theist Atheist, Tried to Bribe Underage Girls to Date Him

Texas Church Shooter, Who Was An Anti-Theist Atheist, Tried to Bribe Underage Girls to Date Him

I think other articles said this guy is an ex-Christian who became an atheist, who wrote anti-theist rhetoric online. Yeah, I googled and found this:

(Link): Devin Patrick Kelley: An anti-Christian, atheist ‘outcast’

Devin Patrick Kelley, the 26-year-old who stormed First Baptist Church in Texas and shot and killed 26 and wounded scores more, was described by former school classmates as an “outcast” and atheist who used social media to mock Christianity.

(Link): Texas Gunman Devin Kelley Was Atheist Who Taught Vacation Bible School

(Link): Texas Church Shooter Tried to Bribe Underage Girls to Date Him

Excerpts:

By Max Jaeger

Texas church shooter  Devin Patrick Kelley was so pathetic, he tried to bribe and threatened ex-girlfriends to take him back — and he stooped so low as to date a 13-year-old when he was 18, according to former flings.

“He was very sick in the head,” Katy Landry, a former girlfriend of Devin Patrick Kelley, told NBC News. “Years after dating me he would try to bribe me to hang out with him. He ended up assaulting me.”

Church-Goer and Her Pastor Lover Killed Her Husband So They Could Be Together

Church-Goer and Her Pastor Lover Killed Her Husband So They Could Be Together

(Disclaimer: I am a conservative, always have been. This does not mean I completely agree with other conservatives on all issues.)

This news story once more disproves several Christian and secular conservative assumptions, such as: marriage makes people more godly, mature, and responsible; that God will not grant an imperfect person a spouse, and that being “Equally Yoked” (marrying another Christian) means that your spouse will be up-standing, a decent person, loving, caring, etc.

(Link):  Church-Goer and Her Pastor Lover Killed Her Husband So They Could Be Together March 2017, by Gail Shortland

Excerpts:

Cindy was devoted to the church and the clergyman who preached there…

…Accountant Cindy Reese, 40, lived with her husband Michael, also 40, in Morris, Alabama. They’d been married six years, and had met after Cindy’s first husband had committed suicide.

The couple had a seemingly normal and idyllic life in their picture-perfect white-painted house nestled under the shade of the trees.

…The couple were religious and regularly attended the local Sardis Baptist Church, where Cindy was also head of music. But things were far from perfect. In 2013, Jeffery Brown, 36, became senior pastor at the church.

Cindy was taken with the clergyman and they started an affair.

Twisted Dad Allegedly Killed Son Who Found His ‘Disgusting’ Fetish Photos

Twisted Dad Allegedly Killed Son Who Found His ‘Disgusting’ Fetish Photos

Christians and conservative think tanks really need to stop promoting this idea that parenthood or marriage are necessary to make a person mature, loving, or godly, or that either one can “fix” culture.

I’m a conservative, but I realize it’s un-biblical and wrong for other conservatives to keep hyping parenthood and marriage as they do.

Here’s another example where parenthood and marriage did not make a person loving, godly, responsible, or mature:

(Link): Son Murdered for Taunting Diaper-Wearing Dad, Prosecutors Say

(Link): Father ‘killed his son, 13, after the boy found and mocked compromising photos of him eating feces from a diaper he was wearing and posing in women’s clothes with makeup on’

In 2015, the teenager’s skull was found just 1.5 miles away from his dad’s home

(Link): Twisted Dad Allegedly Killed Son Who Found His ‘Disgusting’ Fetish Photos

By Lia Eustachewich
July 26, 2017

A twisted Colorado father was driven to allegedly murder his son when the teen discovered “disgusting” photos of the deviant dad eating feces from a diaper while dressed in women’s clothes, according to reports.

Mark Redwine allegedly flew into a rage when his 13-year-old son, Dylan, and his older brother Cory unearthed the embarrassing snaps, ABC 7 in Denver reported.

Man with HIV Charged with Murder After Girlfriend Dies of AIDS

Man with HIV Charged with Murder After Girlfriend Dies of AIDS

American culture inside and outside the church glorifies sex and ridicules celibates, but it looks to me there are sometimes advantages to being celibate, such as…

(Link): Man with HIV Charged with Murder After Girlfriend Dies of AIDS

by AP, June 7, 2017

A married man accused of not telling his longtime girlfriend that he was HIV-positive was charged with murder after the woman died of AIDS.

Vietnam man, 44, stabs a wedding guest to death after he was booed off stage during a tragic karaoke performance

Vietnam man, 44, stabs a wedding guest to death after he was booed off stage during a tragic karaoke performance

I guess they take their karaoke real serious over there.

(Link):  Vietnam man, 44, stabs a wedding guest to death after he was booed off stage during a tragic karaoke performance

May 25, 2017

• Nguyen Ngoc Diep, 44, was singing at wedding in southern Vietnam on Thursday
• He was furious when a guest mocked his singing and stole his microphone
• Diep began brawling with the guest, who ended up seriously injured in hospital
• Attacker then stabbed another guest Le Hong An, 35, when he tried to stop him 
• Diep has been arrested since going on the horrific rampage, local media said

A man at a wedding in Vietnam stabbed a fellow guest to death and seriously injured another after he was booed off stage during a karaoke performance.

‘Deadly Wives’ Reality TV Series – ‘Very Devoted Christian’ Woman Who Held Bible Studies Drowned Her Husband in a Pool of Hydrochloric Acid

‘Deadly Wives’ Reality TV Series – ‘Very Devoted Christian’ Woman Who Held Bible Studies Drowned Her Husband in a Pool of Hydrochloric Acid

As I’ve said many times on this blog, there are times I am glad I have never married. After watching this show a few times, I definitely feel that way.

Here is a link or two about the show:

(Link): Deadly Wives: Acid Lady

(Link): Deadly Wives: Crime and Investigation

(Link): Deadly Wives

(Link): Deadly Wives TV Show

I caught a couple of episodes the other day on LIFEtime channel or whatever it’s called of a reality series called “Deadly Wives.”

Usually, it seems abuse and crimes in marriages are male- on- female, but in this show…

It’s a show about women who murder their husbands, female- on- male violence.

The first episode I saw was about a woman who killed her husband by giving him horse tranq via drops in his mouth from a Visine bottle, then she buried him in a vineyard.

The second episode I saw disturbed me far more than the first.

It was about a woman named Larissa, a chemist, who was married to Tim. She knocked Tim out with chloroform, and when he was only partially knocked out (he may have still been alive), she had a male accomplice named James stuff Tim into a large, blue barrel, where upon she dumped about four gallons of Hydrochloric acid on him.

More 40-Something Single Women Falling Prey to Dishonest or Violent Men in Dating (says report)

More 40-Something Single Women Falling Prey to Dishonest or Violent Men in Dating (says report)

I don’t know how accurate this type of story is. Sometimes the media like to report ideas and leave the impression there is a huge crisis going on, because it generates panic and makes for good click-bait and gets them more views and hits.

For example:

(Link):  When Newsweek ‘Struck Terror in the Hearts of Single Women’ – Bogus Study Said Women Over 40 More Likely To Be Killed By A Terrorist Than to Marry

This story is in a UK-based paper. I’ve no idea how common this is in the United States vs. the UK. Some of the folks who left comments below the (Link): Twitter post felt that the article is “victim-blaming.” I don’t know if I took it that way or not.

I have posted other stories to this blog before of women who were killed by men they had met online, and one story about a guy who was robbed (and I think killed) by a woman he met on a dating site (she brought her male friends with her to the man’s house, and her friends killed him – she was part of the plot). I don’t think it’s necessarily “victim blaming” to remind people who use dating sites to use caution when meeting people through sites.

(Link):  The tragic story of Helen Bailey’s murder shows how easily an unscrupulous character can fool a lonely romantic by J. S-Porter

“At 49, I met and married a man within three months. It was a disaster, and I quickly realised I’d been hopelessly naïve. Sometimes the dream gets in the way of reality”

Excerpts:

A successful middle-aged woman was murdered by a partner she trusted implicitly. Helen Bailey’s story is shocking because it reveals how little she really knew about her partner of five years. How can such an intelligent person be so oblivious to the dark side of her lover’s personality?

Texas Double Murder Suspect Dreamed of Cutting Off Wife’s Head, Police Allege

I see stories like the one I’m blogging about in his post and think sometimes being single is not so bad by comparison. Or, more accurately, it’s pointless to be married if the person you’re married to is violent, selfish, a jerk, or a psycho – like the guy in this story.

I have times where I’m okay with being single, other times I’d like to be married (mainly for the companionship), but geeze frikkin’ louise, I see stories like this one and think having a husband this terrible is far worse than being single.

Not only did the guy kill his wife, but he was telling people prior to killing her that he didn’t like her. He was fed up with the way she looked and dressed.

I mean, good Lord, there is no point in getting married if the guy you’re married to cannot stand you, is not going to like you or respect you, and tells co-workers he fantasizes about cutting your head off.

I’d rather be husband-less than married to a violent, self absorbed douche-canoe who cannot even stand to be in the same room with me.

The article gets even more sad when you read about how a friend says the murdered woman had dreamed of getting married and having a kid since she was 12 years old, and she had three miscarriages before having their son (whom the guy also killed).

By the way: this again shows that being married and a parent does NOT, as Christians often claim, make a person more godly, ethical, or loving.

This also goes to show that contrary to most Christian advice I’ve seen, a person does not have to be perfect or godly to earn, merit, or get a spouse from God. If a person had to have a good heart and be a great person to start with before God would allow that person a spouse, than this evil idiot in this story never would’ve gotten married to start with.

(Link): Texas Double Murder Suspect Dreamed of Cutting Off Wife’s Head, Police Allege

A Texas man charged with (Link): fatally slashing the throats of his wife and infant son allegedly told co-workers he heard voices telling him to “kill people” and had dreamed of hurting his spouse, according to a newly released police affidavit obtained by PEOPLE.

The accusations detail suspect Craig Vandewege’s bizarre behavior before and after his 36-year-old wife, Shanna Vandewege, and their 3-month-old son, Diederick, were found dead in Fort Worth, Texas, on Dec. 15.

Homosexual Satanist Kills Cop He Met Via Grindr Dating App, Eats Part of Body, Acid Burns the Remainder

Homosexual Satanist Kills Cop He Met Via Grindr Dating App, Eats Part of Body, Acid Burns the Remainder

This is so gross.

(Link): ‘GRINDR MURDER’ City worker Stefano Brizzi accused of Grindr murder admits episode of Breaking Bad inspired him to dissolve PC’s body in acid

Nov 2016

Stefano Brizzi, 50, is said to have murdered PC Gordon Semple, 59, after organising a ‘chemsex’ hook-up on gay dating app Grindr

BY FELIX ALLE

A SATANIST accused of strangling and dismembering a policeman today admitted he was inspired to dissolve the victim’s body in acid by a scene from TV show Breaking Bad.

Ex-Actor Sentenced to Death After Being Found Guilty of Killing Two People to Raise Money for his Wedding

Ex-Actor Sentenced to Death After Being Found Guilty of Killing Two People to Raise Money for his Wedding

Pretty extreme – killing people to finance your own wedding.

(Link): Ex-Actor Sentenced to Death After Being Found Gilty of Killing Two People to Raise Money for his Wedding

Excerpts

BY BLAKE BAKKILA

(Link): Daniel Wozniak has been sentenced to death for the murders of his neighbor and his neighbor’s friend, according to a press release from the Orange County district attorney’s office.

The California theater actor, 31, killed his neighbor, 26-year-old Army veteran Sam Herr, and Herr’s friend Juri “Julie” Kibuishi in 2010 as part of a ploy to clean out Herr’s $62,000 savings so he could pay for his (Link): upcoming wedding to his actress fiancée Rachel Buffett.

On Friday, Orange County Superior Court Judge John Conley ruled against Wozniak’s public defender Scott Sanders’ motion for a new trial and against another motion to dismiss the death penalty, according to the (Link): Los Angeles Times

Baby Maddox: Dad Says He Asked God For Sign Not To Kill 21 Month Old Baby With Bat, But It Never Came

Baby Maddox: Dad Says He Asked God For Sign Not To Kill 21 Month Old Baby With Bat, But It Never Came

Many Christians – especially the conservative ones – are so infatuated with parenthood and marriage, they act as though anyone who is single or childless is “second class” or some type of failure.

Some Christians, depending on their branch of theology, actually teach Christian adults to marry young and have lots of children, because their children will later be an “army of God” to turn America back to God.

It does not seem to bother the people who teach this and believe in it that the Bible does not teach this concept, especially not under the New Testament, where Paul said it is better to remain single (and hence celibate and hence childless). The New Testament does not advocate “bedroom evangelization.”

It remains there are a lot of Christians who conflate being married, having sex, and/or having children with being an adult. They cannot conceive of anyone being a mature, functioning, full-fledged adult without a marriage license or a kid. They seem to think being a parent (or having a spouse) automatically makes a person more ethical, loving, and so on. Stories like this one, which I feature on my blog every so often, disprove these views.

I do wonder, if there is a God, why did he not speak to this guy, or send this guy a sign, when the guy said, “God, if you are there and don’t want me to kill her, send me a sign.”

I know about free will, I do (and I don’t mean how Calvinists define “free will” – I disagree with Calvinist theology). I know this guy made a choice, but God could have easily intervened by sending that sign, all to spare the girl’s life. But he chose to remain silent and do nothing. I don’t get it.

Anyway, I don’t see how fathering a child made the guy in this story any more loving, mature, godly, or responsible. Quite the opposite.

(Link): Baby Maddox: Dad Says He Asked God For Sign Not To Kill 21 Month Old Baby With Bat, But It Never Came

Baby Maddox’s father, Ryan Lawrence, a New York man accused of battering his 21-month old baby with a baseball bat, burning her body and dumping it into a harbor entered a guilty plea for the gruesome crime, NY Daily News is reporting.

According to investigators, the 25-year-old man had taken Baby Maddox to an isolated location where he struck her repeatedly with a wooden baseball bat. Lawrence then “placed her body and the baseball bat in a prepared fire pit for three hours” before dumping the little girl’s remains into the Inner Harbor which connects to the Syracuse Onondaga Lake.

A Daily Mail report revealed that the New York father admitted beating Baby Maddox to death because he got pissed over the attention she got after surviving eye cancer. The Onondaga County District Attorney Bill Fitzparick said it was a possible motive for Ryan Lawrence to commit murder.

80 Year Old Preacher Shot Dead By 67 Year Old Preacher in Argument Over Bible

80 Year Old Preacher Shot Dead By 67 Year Old Preacher in Argument Over Bible

This is wrong on so many levels.

Putting that aside, though… so much for equally yoked! These two dudes were claiming to be Christian. I have no desire to marry the kind of guy who says he’s a Christian but who thinks it’s okay to shoot someone dead over a biblical dispute.

(Link): 80 Year Old Preacher Shot Dead By 67 Year Old Preacher in Argument Over Bible

Excerpts

Horror erupted at a senior home in Chicago, Illinois, in the wee hours on Monday when Allen Smith, 80, a retired Baptist minister and Yale Divinity School graduate was allegedly shot dead by a wheelchair bound, 67-year-old pastor during an argument over the Bible.

The (Link): Chicago Tribune said Smith and his alleged killer, Ted Merchant, a resident of the community who also ran a church at the senior home known as the Senior Suites of Rainbow Beach, were on the back patio of the property having their regular talk about Bible passages when he pull a gun and shot Smith dead.