Extra-Biblical Knowledge – My Thougts Expanded and Clarified – And: Christian Deism
Edited / I found a couple of pages with views about the Holy Spirit, and related topics, that seem similar to my own.
The authors of the following recognize the errors of “Pentecostal/charismatic/Third Wave tradition” in regards to their views and beliefs of the Holy Spirit and how, if, or when the Holy Spirit speaks to believers today, but they also feel that “hard cessationism is inadequate.”
The pages are:
(Link): Father, Son, and Holy Scriptures? by M. James Sawyer
I exchanged a few Tweets with Pirate Radio (a.k.a. Fighting for the Faith) host guy Chris Rosebrough earlier today.
This is rather a follow up of sorts to my previous post:
- (Link): Extrabiblical is Not Necessarily Unbiblical or Anti Biblical – Rosebrough, Osteen, Extrabiblical Revelation and Promptings – Denying one of the Works of the Holy Spirit
I do appreciate Rosebrough tweeting me back, and told him so in a Tweet. He must be very busy, so it’s nice of him to take time out of his day to reply.
I hate debating with folks on Twitter, for one reason being, I have always been terrible at condensing my thoughts.
I suck rocks at bantering back and forth in a 140 letter per post format especially.
That is one reason I kept giving Rosebrough a link to a previous post on this blog about this issue (link is above). It would take me 243,567 Tweets to explain to him on Twitter what it took me a page to write on this blog.
Rosebrough asked me once or twice to cite specific verses or passages to prove my point that God speaks to people today.
First, I’d like to clarify that I mean I believe that God speaks inwardly to people today in the form of personal warnings and the like.
I am not Charismatic or a Word of Faith person. I disagree with their views.
I do not believe that God issues prophetical views to people today, such as what we see in the book of Revelation, where it is described how the world will end.
Rosebrough used the word “prophecy” several times in his tweets to me, but my understanding of that may be different from his.
I don’t think the Holy Spirit, for example, warning a Christian woman today to not go down an alley alone – knowing she is will be mugged if she does so – is the same thing as “biblical prophecy,” that personal revelation (say about someone’s safety) is in the same category of God telling John in Revelation to “write what you see and hear” about the end times, the entire fate of the whole world.
I am not saying that all inward guidance of the Holy Spirit, or all visions, are on par with Scriptural (written) authority.
That would be a quasi-Roman Catholic view (Roman Catholics place their church tradition and Pope’s ex cathedra on the same level of authority as the written word, which I disagree with).
I do agree with sola scriptura.
But I also believe some Christians carry sola scriptura (and how they choose to carry out, or defend, “doctrine” whether they perceive it to be sound or not) to an un-biblical, even absurd, too-narrow level. (I refer to this as “hyper sola scriptura” in previous posts.)
I have gone on record in previous posts here on this blog as saying if someone feels they got a vision or a message from God, that if their impression, vision, word (whatever term) contradicts what God has already said in the Bible, their claim, word, etc, is wrong.
I do not believe that a personal word from the Holy Spirit to a certain individual for a specific situation is binding on all believers.
Rosebrough kept asking me to give him one single, lone verse that supports the notion that the Holy Spirit speaks to Christians today.
I do not recall there being any one, lone single verse that says that the Holy Spirit speaking to Christians would end with the first believers.
(The faith being delivered once for all to the saints, or 2 Tim. 3.16 is not addressing the topic on whether or not the Spirit speaks to people today. I discussed that a bit more in previous posts, so I won’t get into that here.)
As I told Rosebrough on Twitter, there is no such one verse or passage for my position. But, his position also lacks a single “gotcha” verse or passage.
There are plenty of examples in the Bible of the Holy Spirit speaking to believers (see citations in previous post).
I see no passage in the Bible that says that would be a phenomenon only for early Christians and not for Christians today.
DEMAND FOR LONE VERSE – Unrealistic Criteria
That Rosebrough keeps demanding a single passage for my position is something I feel is disingenuous, and that it is a somewhat intellectually dishonest technique.