Salvation Army Bans Duggar / Quivering Cult’s ‘Retreat’ (Called ‘Get Them Married’) that Promoted Arranged Marriages for Teen Girls – Quivering Advocates Are Anti-Adult Singleness and Anti-Celibacy

Salvation Army Bans Duggar / Quivering Cult’s ‘Retreat’ (Called ‘Get Them Married’) that Promoted Arranged Marriages for Teen Girls – Quivering Advocates Are Anti-Adult Singleness and Anti-Celibacy 

Before I present you with the links to the news reports about this story (which are much farther down the page), I wanted to make some introductory comments in general, and a few specific comments refuting a few points from a pro-Quivering page about celibacy.

In regards to the specific news story I am blogging about today, this Quivering group is completely overlooking Apostle Paul’s comments in (Link): 1 Corinthians 7 that it is better for people to remain single than it is to marry – and Paul does not say that this teaching is in regards only to “a few,” or only a “minority” of people.

The Bible nowhere states that marriage is “a norm,” or that God expects or wants all, or most, people to marry.

It just so happens that in other cultures thousands of years ago, most people did happen to marry – one should not deduce from this cultural situation that God supported it or wanted it to be so. It just was what it was.

If the Bible said that all or most ancient Jews painted their bodies green once a year and balanced weasels on their heads while jumping up and down on a watermelon one week out of a year, one should not assume from this that

  • 1. God created that cultural practice and/or that
  • 2. God wanted Americans in the year 2016 to practice these things as well.

The Quivering group’s position on marriage, celibacy, and singleness is unbiblical, not to mention disturbing.

According to this article (linked to much farther below), the Quivering group was going to call this event, (where they set up marriages for little girls to marry), “Get Them Married.”

Why not have an event called, per 1 Corinthians 7, “It Is Better To Stay Unmarried”?

Am I opposed to marriage? No.

Is the God of the Bible against marriage? No.

But the Bible does not say that being married is better or more holy for girls, women, or culture, than being single, but a lot of Christian groups, and these wacky Christian cults, insist otherwise.

Christians need to do a better job of recognizing adult singleness and celibacy as legitimate, godly, biblical lifestyles and choices for all persons (and not only meant for a small minority of people who were supposedly “gifted” with it), instead of promoting marriage and natalism as the only legitimate avenues or as ways of fixing culture, the nation, or as pleasing God.

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Family Values Republican Politician Hastert in Trouble for Sexual Assault of Kids / On Liberals and Not Having Sexual Standards

Family Values Republican Politician Hastert in Trouble for Sexual Assault of Kids / On Liberals and Not Having Sexual Standards

This politician, Hastert, is now in his 70s and is in poor health. Some of his victims have stepped forward to say he sexually assaulted them when they were kids.

I’ve seen several articles say that he was a “family values” type of Republican.

Below is a report about it – probably by a left winger. I am right wing, but in the last few years, I’ve had some changing feelings about the Republican Party, conservative Christians, and how much they push this “family values” rhetoric.

This author does spend part of her report taking Bill Clinton to task for taking advantage of Lewinsky.

I will be placing more articles about this story below this first link and excerpt.

I’m not terribly fond of how so many right-wing “Family Values” spokespersons and figure heads later turn out to be hypocrites.

On the other hand, I’m not a supporter of the left wing – many of them not only participate in sexually immoral activity or champion sexual hedonism, but they have few to no sexual standards in the first place. And they don’t want any.

Maybe there is something positive to be said in having sexual standards in the first place, even if it means a person (or group of persons) who claim to believe in them occasionally violates them.

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Family Values, Conservative Christian Bill Gothard Accused Of Rape

Family Values, Conservative Christian Bill Gothard Accused Of Rape

I have written about Gothard once before, and I’m reminding you of that post now:

In the days or weeks to come, you can probably expect more of the same. Gothard is currently in his 80s, I believe, and he’s never married, and has indicated before that he is celibate.

Ergo, a lot of people, even some Christians sadly enough, tend to blame Gothard’s alleged sexual assaults of women on him being celibate. They seem to think if you live without sex for so many years, it comes gushing out beyond your control later – you get so horny, they seem to think, they you sexually attack another person.

A lot of people do this sort of odd ball reasoning in the case of  Roman Catholic priests who take a vow of celibacy but who get caught molesting children: people assume that being celibate causes pedophilia and rape.

Celibacy, however, does not cause pedophilia and rape.  Married men who have sex with their wives on a regular basis also rape people or molest kids (I’ve done a post or two about that topic before in the past).

Or, these types of Christians and Non-Christians somehow suspect that any adult who claims to be celibate is secretly a horn dog and must be getting lots of nooky anywhere, but especially salacious nooky, by raping people or fondling kids.

Celibates are not perverts, folks: we celibates are NOT having any sex at all, salacious or consensual. That’s the whole point about celibacy, you ding bats who accuse celibacy of causing rape and pedophilia.

While I myself don’t agree with some views of secular, left wing feminists, I note that they are not the monsters that many “family values” Christians make them out to be.

Right wing, American Christians will often fault the American feminists of the 1960s sexual revolution of causing all manner of problems in society (such as the rise of divorce rates, promiscuity, etc),
and maybe to a degree, secular feminism played some role in those sorts of things,
but how then do these Christians and conservatives explain the other “family values” Christians who are opposed to secular, left wing feminism, such as Gothard, who allegedly rape or molest girls, or who have affairs on their wives (for the men who are married)?

Again, I am not saying I am in total agreement with all opinions of secular, liberal feminists, but am merely saying that you cannot fairly and justly blame secular, liberal feminism for the moral failings and crimes of right wing, Christian men such as Gothard.

Anyway, Gothard is in the news again, this time for supposedly raping people.

Here is a selection of links about that news story, along with a link to a site that specializes in Gothard news coverage, and articles that highlight or refute his damaging teachings:

(Link): Recovering Grace: A Gothard Generation Shines Light on the Teachings of IBLP and ATI 

(This site, Recovering Grace, tends to keep up with the latest Gothard news and information, so you may want to bookmark them and visit them regularly if you are really interested in the latest Gothard- related developments.
I don’t plan on doing regular Gothard updates on my own blog, or not over every little thing concerning him.)

(Link): Bill Gothard, Christian counseling ministry leader with ties to TLC’s Duggar family, target of sexual assault lawsuit by 10 women

  • by Laura Bult
  • January 7, 2016
  • Ten women filed a bombshell lawsuit Wednesday alleging decades of sexual assault and rape by the longtime leader of Christian homeschooling ministry, Bill Gothard, who preaches modesty among women and has ties to Republican politicians and the reality TV Duggar family.
  • The lawsuit is the latest development after numerous women who sought counseling at Gothard’s Institute of Basic Life Principles, a prominent religious homeschooling ministry, came forward accusing the magnetic leader of sexual abuse, some of whom were minors at the time
  • The 81-year-old unmarried former president of the IBLP resigned from the ministry in 2014 after more than 30 women said they had been molested by him, according to the (Link): Washington Post, which first reported the story.
  • The lawsuit filed in an Illinois circuit court includes allegations that range from sexual harassment,  inappropriate touching and hand-holding, molestation and rape, according to the complaint provided to the Daily News by the lawyers representing the women at the Texas Gibbs Law Firm.

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Josh Duggar (Christian TV Personality) Resigns from Family Research Council after Child Sexual Abuse Allegations

Christian Josh Duggar Resigns from Family Research Council after Sexual Abuse Allegations

For anyone who may be new to this blog:

I’m pretty right wing, though not as right wing as I used to be, but I am not a liberal Democrat.

I don’t consider myself to be in agreement with most of left wing, secular feminism (though I reject Christian gender complementarianism, and feminism in my view is not the same thing as Christian egalitarianism), and I am not opposed to traditional values, the family, or to marriage.

Where I take issue with Christians and other right wingers pertains to their habit of taking family, marriage, and procreation to the point they deify each, and they exclude or ignore adult singles, child free people, and the childless.

There’s nothing wrong with marriage, or people having children, but there is something deeply wrong with a Christian culture that builds up marriage and natalism at the expense of anyone who does not fit those positions.

Although I am no fan of left wing politics or most left wing causes and values, I am not exactly fond of how obsessed some right wingers are with ramping up or participating in the culture wars.

I am especially perturbed, shocked, and disgusted by these news stories of well-known, or prominent, right wing Christians who loudly and regularly scream in favor of “defending the family” yet they themselves end up getting divorced (these same “pro family” groups usually shame divorced people for being divorced), or news leaks that they are secretly homosexual, or they are having heterosexual affairs.

The members of these same “pro family” groups have the audacity to usually cast adult singles, celibates, and the childfree, as being irresponsible, deficient, and immature – themselves violate their own ideals about marriage and family.

How dare these hypocrites accuse people such as myself – never married, childless adults who are celibate – of being sexually immoral or irresponsible and ungodly when they are not living out good values?

But still, Baptist, Reformed, and conservative evangelical Christians keep marching to this insulting drum beat that getting married and having children are necessary life events to make a person godly, mature, and loving.

I notice that some left wing types are using this Duggar story as an opportunity to say, “see, homosexuality is not so bad. How dare right wing, Family Values proponents knock on homosexuality as they do.”

I fail to see how a hetero guy molesting little girls somehow is proof that homosexuality is morally acceptable, anymore than it would prove a (Link): man having sex with a horse or a (Link): man having sex with his own biological daughter is acceptable.

(That a child molester has spoken out against X at some time but is guilty himself of Z, is not necessarily grounds to prove that X is okay.)

I appreciate the fact –  the hypocrisy –  that this Duggar guy was part of an organization that spoke out against homosexuality while himself guilty of prior sexual sin, but I don’t see where the Bible excuses either forms of sexual behavior: homosexuality or a teenaged boy molesting little girls.

(That’s all I care to say about that topic, as my blog does not focus a whole lot on the culture wars vis a vis homosexuality.)

This family has been featured on daily Christian television show “700 Club” at least once, possibly more, and one of the episodes that featured the Duggers was repeated two or more times over one to two years. I wrote a post about this a few years ago, I don’t know if I can find it again. Here it is:

I think Christian TV shows should be more careful about having some of these people on as examples or as role models, when they or their family members later turn out to be adulterers, sexists, or child molesters.

The 700 Club has had various “Christian celebrities” on who later were found guilty of child molesting, having affairs, getting divorced (after promoting a book about marriage, or going on about how “the Lord” made their marriage great), or in saying horrible things, like girls should be married by the time they are 16 years old, etc.

Here is the latest example of a “Christian” family who was interviewed on 700 Club, and who also paraded “family values” around constantly, but one of their family members was, according to several news sites, molesting girl relatives:

(Link):  Duggars reeling from Josh’s sex-abuse scandal

  • by Maria Puente, USA TODAY
  • 9:26 p.m. EDT May 21, 2015
  • The Duggars, the reality TV family famous for its progeny (19 Kids and Counting) and its conservatism, is reeling now that oldest son, Josh, has been forced to acknowledge he was investigated for molesting underage girls when he was a teenager in Arkansas.
  • His acknowledgement came after InTouch magazine published a story Thursday about police records it obtained from Springdale, Ark., hidden since 2006, that show Josh Duggar confessed to his father, Jim Bob Duggar, who then waited more than a year before contacting police about what his then 15-year-old son admitting doing to five girls.
  • Josh Duggar apologized Thursday and abruptly resigned his job at the Family Research Council in Washington, one of the leading conservative groups fighting abortion and gay marriage among other causes.

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