Man Slammed For Eating a Takeaway Pizza While His Wife Gives Birth

Man Slammed For Eating a Takeaway Pizza While His Wife Gives Birth

I’m not opposed to motherhood, but, news stories like this goes to expose the propaganda put out by my fellow conservatives about how motherhood is so great, motherhood is worth it, etc.

I appreciate that the dude who snapped this photo may have felt he was being amusing, but it actually showed a cavalier and insensitive attitude towards what his wife was going through. He did not have to snap a photo of it AND post it to social media.

This alone is enough proof to dismiss the Christian complementarian arguments that God supposedly “put men in charge.”

I also think this shows that Fatherhood, contrary to propaganda from Al Mohler and other Pro-Family groups or persons, such as “Focus On the Family,” Bradford Wilcox, National Marriage Project, etc, does not make men more empathetic, godly, responsible, ethical, or mature.

(Link): Man Slammed For Eating a Takeaway Pizza While His Wife Gives Birth

A DAD-to-be has been slammed online after he shared a snap of himself eating pizza while his wife gave birth.

In the photo the bloke can be seen chowing down on a hot and spicy pepperoni pizza while his other half struggles with labour pains.

Continue reading “Man Slammed For Eating a Takeaway Pizza While His Wife Gives Birth”

Hot Car Death: Drunk Dad Leaves 2-Year-Old Girl In Hot Car For 16 Hours On Father’s Day

Hot Car Death: Drunk Dad Leaves 2-Year-Old Girl In Hot Car For 16 Hours On Father’s Day

This is a point I have raised many times before and no doubt will again when similar news stories are published but: Christians have a nasty habit of equating getting married or becoming a parent with becoming mature, responsible, ethical or godly.

By the same token, Christians believe, assume, or teach that single adults who never have children are immoral, selfish, or immature.

But then we see many stories of married parents who commit sins and crimes, like this one, and it took place on Father’s Day, of all days.

How did being a parent make the guy in this story more mature or godly than people who never have kids?

(Link): Hot Car Death: Drunk Dad Leaves 2-Year-Old Girl In Hot Car For 16 Hours On Father’s Day

  • Another tragic hot car death has happened to a young child. This time a 2-year-girl died after being left in a hot car for 16 hours when her drunk father passed out. The incident happened in Baltimore on Father’s Day.
  • 6 ABC News reports that Wilber Leon Carter, 31, was arrested and charged with murder and child abuse after leaving his daughter strapped in her car seat for more than 16 hours on an 89-degree day.
  • Police say paramedics discovered Leasia Carter unconscious and suffering from second-degree burns Monday evening. She was rushed to the hospital, but was pronounced dead when she arrived at the hospital.
  • Documents in the hot car death indicate that Carter informed detectives he’d been drinking Sunday while his daughter was in his custody. He said when he woke up Monday afternoon, he couldn’t recall where his car was parked — or where his daughter was until he found her unconscious in his vehicle.

Texas Stepmother and Biological Father Starves Son to Death

Texas Stepmother and Biological Father Starves Son to Death

I know that evangelicals and other sorts of Christians often hold on to this perception that parenthood (and marriage) instantly makes a person more giving, mature, loving, ethical, and so on, but I’m not exactly clear if that stereotype carries over to STEP-parenting.

I’m not sure if their fallacious, idiotic, untrue stereotype applies only to biological parenting, or if they also feel that a woman who adopts a baby or who is step-parent to one also is bestowed the “she must be more godly and mature than a childless or childfree woman” perspective.

In the off chance there are any evangelicals out there who think any and all forms of motherhood automatically makes a woman more giving, loving, and moral, here’s an example that says “Nope” to that (Edit. After having read over more about this news story, it turns out the the boy’s biological father also played a role in starving him to death):

(By the way, even though I find babies and kids pretty irritating and don’t like being around them most of the time, and most Christians – and some Non Christians – would slam me for not having kids (never mind I was waiting for a husband to have kids with, I don’t believe in single parenting intentionally, like the Hollywood starlets who choose to get knocked up outside of matrimony), but – I would never intentionally harm a kid. If I do get married, and my spouse has a kid from a previous marriage, I would NOT abuse or neglect the kid.

It’s odd to me how society thinks motherhood instantly makes a woman more of an admirable, or a more trustworthy, figure, when we see from news stories like this one that children might actually be SAFER with childless or childfree women!

I would probably be a hyper-responsible parent if I ever did have a kid of my own, or was step parent to one (I said responsible, NOT helicopter. Helicopter parenting creates all sorts of problems for a kid). I sure as heck would NOT starve a kid to death, whether he was my own biological kid, a step kid, a neighbor’s kid, or whomever’s kid.

Some of these news sites have published a photo of the little boy who died from starvation – he looked like a very nice little boy.

(Link): Stepmother found guilty of starving 10-year-old son who weighed just 60 lbs and dumping his emaciated body in the woods

(Link): Dallas stepmom found guilty in starvation death of boy, 10

    A Dallas woman was found guilty Tuesday of locking her 10-year-old stepson in a bedroom for months and starving him in 2011.

    Elizabeth Ramsey, 33, faces up to life in prison for the death of Johnathan Ramsey, whose bones were found stuffed into a sleeping bag in an Ellis County creek bed in April 2012. He died the previous August.

    …Johnathan’s father, Aaron Ramsey, was sentenced last year to life in prison for causing serious bodily injury to a child by starving his son.

    Prosecutors said the Ramseys were both responsible for keeping Johnathan locked away and feeding him only military rations for several months.

    Continue reading “Texas Stepmother and Biological Father Starves Son to Death”

Married Texas Father Kills Several of His Own Family Including His Own Children – so much for marriage and parenthood making people more godly, mature, responsible and loving!

Married Texas Father Kills Several of His Own Family Including His Own Children – so much for marriage and parenthood making people more godly, mature, responsible and loving!
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I sometimes post links to news articles on this blog of parents, preachers, or married people who do immoral or illegal activities. There have been so many of these stories showing up in my Twitter feed the past two weeks, I can hardly keep up.

I will not be blogging on all of them. For about every news story I blog about of a parent who murders her child, or a married man who gets caught stabbing his wife to death or whatever, there are about 2 to 4 I do NOT get around to publishing on my blog – Bear that in mind anytime you visit my blog and see these types of stories.

So. Christians, particularly Southern Baptist, evangelicals, Reformed, and other flavors of Christians, like to spout off how parenthood and marriage make people more ethical, godly, and mature and immune from sexual sin, while, at the same time, they teach the insulting views that anyone who is still single and/or childless past age 30, is selfish or a loser or a closeted homosexual.

Here is yet another example of how parenthood does not make a person more godly, ethical, responsible, or mature – and it proves a person does not have to become perfect to obtain a spouse, or be rewarded with one by God:

(Link): Texas Dad Kills Six, Including Four Of His Children

Married Father Who Worked as Police Officer Raped Wife After Drugging Her and Murdered Her and Their Children – so much for marriage and parenthood making people more godly, mature, responsible and loving!

Married Father Who Worked as Police Officer Raped Wife After Drugging Her and Murdered Her and Their Children – so much for marriage and parenthood making people more godly, mature, responsible and loving!
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I sometimes post links to news articles on this blog of parents, preachers, or married people who do immoral or illegal activities. There have been so many of these stories showing up in my Twitter feed the past two weeks, I can hardly keep up.

I will not be blogging on all of them. For about every news story I blog about of a parent who murders her child, or a married man who gets caught stabbing his wife to death or whatever, there are about 2 to 4 I do NOT get around to publishing on my blog – Bear that in mind anytime you visit my blog and see these types of stories.

So. Christians, particularly Southern Baptist, evangelicals, Reformed, and other flavors of Christians, like to spout off how parenthood and marriage make people more ethical, godly, and mature and immune from sexual sin, while, at the same time, they teach the insulting views that anyone who is still single and/or childless past age 30, is selfish or a loser or a closeted homosexual.

Here is yet another example of how parenthood does not make a person more godly, ethical, responsible, or mature – and it proves a person does not have to become perfect to obtain a spouse, or be rewarded with one by God:

(Link): US police officer Joshua Boren had raped wife several times before murdering her and children in shooting rampage

Parents who kill their children by intentionally leaving them locked in hot cars all day – Dad was sexting while his toddler son was dying in car

Parents who kill their children by intentionally leaving them locked in hot cars all day – Dad was sexting while his toddler son was dying in car
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There was a story in the news this past week of an idiot father, Harris, who killed his toddler son by intentionally leaving him locked in a hot car for several hours.

The police examined Harris’ home computer and say both he and his wife researched information online on ‘how long does it take for child to die in a hot car’ and so forth.

But wait, it gets even better. According to headlines I saw today, not only did Dirt Bag Dad leave his toddler son to die in a hot car, but he “sexted” women, including TEENAGERS, while his kid was dying, and in the weeks before. (See links to that below for more.)

I’m in my early 40s but am like a cranky old woman when it comes to babies and children. I have never married and never had children. I do not like children or babies or being around them. I try to avoid them if I can.

But you know what: I would never intentionally harm or murder a baby or a child. If I saw a kid in trouble, I would come to his or her assistance, or at least call the police.

I bring this all up because it is a common, nasty stereotype in Southern Baptist, Reformed, Fundamentalist, and evangelical Christianity that single adults and the childless (or childfree) are selfish, warped, weird, immature losers, but that parents and the married are instantly more godly, ethical, and more mature. I think news stories like the ones I’ve linked to below debunk these Christian stereotypes.

Understand that I am NOT opposed to people remaining virgins until marriage, but:
I also think this news story blows holes in the evangelical sex propaganda that if people just maintain virginity until marriage, that the sex will be mindblowing, great, frequent, and constant.

How “mindblowing” was this married father’s sex life if he was sexting women and teen girls with nude photos?

On a last note: some Christians will argue that you must become perfect and godly before God will reward you with a spouse. Is a man, like the one in this news story below, who murders his own two year old son and who sends pornographic photos to young teen women, perfect and godly?

If you’re a Christian who believes in the nonsense that an unmarried person must clean herself up, become godly and perfect, before God will reward her with a spouse, please explain what it was this dirt bag father did to merit a spouse from God? He is far from perfect, godly, and loving.

(Link): Detective: Dad who left child in hot SUV showed no emotion after boy died

    By KATE BRUMBACKASSOCIATED PRESS
    updated Thursday, July 3, 2014

    Harris was exchanging nude photos with several women, including teenagers, even on the day his son died when he was at work, Stoddard said. In the weeks before the boy’s death, the man also had looked at a website that advocated against having children and had done an Internet search for “how to survive in prison,” the detective said.

(Link): Detective: Dad had 2 life insurance policies for son

    MARIETTA, Ga. — A Georgia man charged with murder in his 22-month-old son’s death was sexting with several women on the day of his son’s death and that he had two life insurance policies on his son, a detective testified Thursday.

    During a probable cause hearing in Cobb County Magistrate Court for Justin Ross Harris, Cobb County Police Detective Phil Stoddard said Harris, who is charged with murder and child cruelty in the June 18 death of his young son, Cooper, intentionally left his son in the car.

    Stoddard testified the two life insurance policies on Cooper were for $2,000 and $25,000.

    The detective also testified that Harris had accessed websites advocating “child free” and searched “how to survive prison” before Cooper died.

(Link): Georgia Dad in Hot-Car Death Case ‘Sexted’ Other Women: Cops

    The suburban Atlanta father accused of murdering his toddler by leaving him in a hot SUV for several hours was in an unhappy marriage and wanted a “child-free life,” a detective testified Thursday.

    Justin Ross Harris, 33, of Marietta, had even been sexting with other women in the two weeks before son Cooper was found dead in the back seat of the family SUV on June 18, said Cobb County Det. Phil Stoddard.

    Prosecutors during Harris’ probable cause hearing were building a case for why Harris allegedly left his son in a sweltering car on purpose while he was at work. “Evidence shows he has this whole second life … with alternate personas,” Stoddard said. It was also revealed that Harris and his wife, Leanna, had two life insurance policies on their 22-month-old son.

(Link): Watch live: Prosecutor says Justin Ross Harris sexted while toddler in car; witness describes him as sobbing father

(Link): Dad Charged With Toddler’s Hot Car Death Was Sexting While Boy Died: Cop

Happy Never Gonna Be A Father Day On Father’s Day To All the Childfree Guys

Happy Never Gonna Be A Father Day On Father’s Day To All the Childfree Guys

Never Gonna Be A Father
Never Gonna Be A Father

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Related posts:

(Link): Americans Idolize Fatherhood – Enough with the Pro Fatherhood Editorials or Claiming Anti Father Persecution, says writer

(Link): Fatherhood Not Quite the Producer of Manly, Mature, Godly Men Some Conservative Christians Make It Out To Be

(Link): New father killed his five-week-old son by slamming his face into cot because he felt fatherhood meant ‘his life was over’

(Link): Un-Happy Father’s Day!

(Link): Why men are boycotting marriage, fatherhood and the American Dream (article by Matt K. Lewis)

(Link): Are Marriage and Family A Woman’s Highest Calling? by Marcia Wolf – and other links that address the Christian fallacy that a woman’s most godly or only proper role is as wife and mother

(Link): Father Leaves 2 Month Old Son Alone in Car So He Can Go Shopping on Black Friday

(Link): Why all the articles about being Child Free? On Being Childfree or Childless – as a Conservative / Right Wing / Christian

(Link): Do You Rate Your Family Too High? (Christians Who Idolize the Family) (article)

(Link): The Isolating Power of Family-Centered Language (How churches exclude singles and the childless) by E A Dause

(Link): If the Family is Central Christ is Not

Ohio man convinced foster daughter, 17, to kill wife so they could be together, collect insurance cash – Parenthood and marriage do not make people more mature or godly

Ohio man convinced foster daughter, 17, to kill wife so they could be together, collect insurance cash

All right, let’s hear it for fatherhood and the Christian and conservative myth of how fatherhood instantly sanctifies a man and makes him more loving, responsible, and mature than his childless or childfree counterparts!

Oh yeah, married guys who have children are so much more godly and ethical than never-married or childless men! Here’s another shining example of how fatherhood makes a man more honorable and upstanding…

(Link): Ohio man convinced foster daughter, 17, to kill wife so they could be together, collect insurance cash

    Kevin Knoefel, 43, faces life in prison after he began a sexual relationship with Sabrina Zunich, now 19, and got her to stab Lisa Knoefel, 41, to death in November 2012.

    The woman was found stabbed 178 times, and Kevin Knoefel cashed in nearly $800,000 in life insurance policies.

    An Ohio man seduced his 17-year-old foster daughter, then convinced her to off his wife so he could collect $800,000 in life insurance, a jury found Wednesday.

    Kevin Knoefel, 43, faces life in prison after being found guilty of 11 charges stemming from the murder of Lisa Knoefel, 41, who was found stabbed 178 times in 2012 in the family Willoughby Hills home.

    Now 19, Sabrina Zunich faces her own murder trial for carrying out the grisly crime while her foster mother slept.

    … The coward instead gave the teen a tutorial on how to stab his wife, providing pointers on ways to inflict the maximum amount of damage.

    The 3-year-old hid in the bedroom closet as Zunich carried out the disturbing deed in November 2012, slashing the sleeping woman 178 times with the 10-inch blade.

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Related posts:

(Link): Americans Idolize Fatherhood – Enough with the Pro Fatherhood Editorials or Claiming Anti Father Persecution, says writer

(Link): Parenthood Does Not Make People More Loving Mature Godly Ethical Caring or Responsible (One Stop Thread)

Americans Idolize Fatherhood – Enough with the Pro Fatherhood Editorials or Claiming Anti Father Persecution, says writer

Americans Idolize Fatherhood – Enough with the Pro Fatherhood Editorials or Claiming Anti Father Persecution, says writer

As much as conservative Christians and secular social conservatives idolize fatherhood, they idolize motherhood a million times more.

Men don’t get anywhere near the pressure to marry and crank out babies as women do.

But in light of the fact that Father’s Day is this week (I think), here you go:

(Link): Who Are the Fatherhood Cheerleaders Arguing With? No One Is Against Devoted Dads.

    By Amanda Marcotte

    Father’s Day is Sunday, which means that it’s time for pundits and politicians to scold the American public—with special ire reserved for black members of the American public—for our supposed indifference to the wonder and awe of fatherhood.

    Jessica Lahey has a piece in the Atlantic this week called “The Case for Dedicated Dads,” in which she argues, “Mothers are very important to their children’s development, of course, but research has shown that fathers help kids grow in specific ways.” Dozens of other writers are making the same argument, pegged to Father’s Day, for a variety of local and national media sources.

    … I love a good dad story as much as the next daughter, but I can’t help wonder: Who are these writers arguing against?

    Continue reading “Americans Idolize Fatherhood – Enough with the Pro Fatherhood Editorials or Claiming Anti Father Persecution, says writer”

Are Single Women – and specifically Never Married Women – More Likely To Be Victims of Abuse? Rebuttals to this view which is advocated by W B Wilcox

Are Single Women – and specifically Never Married Women – More Likely To Be Victims of Abuse? Rebuttals to this view

The study mentioned on this page below is familiar. I read about it over a year ago. Someone did a study claiming that women who never marry are more likely to be abuse victims.

I’m not sure if I totally understand the study correctly.

I’m a never-married woman who is over the age of 40, but I fail to see how my single status supposedly makes me more vulnerable to being a crime victim than that of a married woman.

Or, given that some conservatives are using this study with the assumption that it’s single women who are “shacking up” with a man who are more prone to being victims, I guess I understand that, though I do not necessarily agree.

That is, some conservatives are using this study to shame single women from having pre-marital sex, or from not having a live-in lover. They are using this to pressure single women to force their live-in lover to marry them.

I understand the Bible does not condone “shacking up” or pre-marital coitus, but, I am not a fan of my fellow conservatives using such “scare” or “shame” tactics to convince single women from not having pre marital sex or live-in BFs. I think it’s a distasteful, sexist approach.

You can read more about all this stuff using these links:

First, here is the offensive, sexist editorial – I mean, how can they blame WOMEN for being the victims of violence?

They should be calling out the men who are abusing these ladies and/or the children. Also note, on the “One Stop Thread” page of this blog, I have link after link to news stories of married men who were caught sexually or physically abusing their OWN kids or someone else’s!

Again, here is a link to the offensive editorial:
(Link): One way to end violence against women? Married dads.

    by W. BRADFORD WILCOX AND ROBIN FRETWELL WILSON June 10

The data show that #yesallwomen would be safer with fewer boyfriends around their kids.

… The bottom line is this: Married women are notably safer than their unmarried peers, and girls raised in a home with their married father are markedly less likely to be abused or assaulted than children living without their own father.

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The Bible no where suggests that a woman needs to marry or is obligated to marry – Jesus and Paul, in the New Testament, actually depict singleness as being preferable to marriage and parenting!

If it were true women were safer being married, I think Jesus and Paul would have taught on the topics of marriage and singlehood differently than they did.

Here are various rebuttals and commentary in response:

(Link): The Washington Post Says Women Get Abused Because They’re Not Married

Excerpts:

The story, which was originally titled “The best way to end violence against women? Stop taking lovers and get married,” got re-named after wise Internet users made a rightful stink over its controversial content. Also noteworthy: the sub-header read “The data show that #yesallwomen would be safer hitched to their baby daddies.”

Now it’s called “One way to end violence against women? Married dads.” But I think the Post should have taken it down completely.

Using legitimate data to back up their claims (nothing says “I’m telling you the truth!” like a graph), authors W. Bradford Wilcox and Robin Fretwell Wilson do the world a great disservice by making it sound like women have the power to avoid being abused — and it apparently comes down to what they should be doing with their bodies, their kids, and their lives.

…. Further, Wilcox and Wilson feign total ignorance of a problem they themselves are perpetuating — institutional sexism and misogyny, which are major factors in the widespread problem of violence against women and children.

By drawing the conclusion that a simple marriage certificate is actually responsible for the stats, they’re doing both genders a huge disservice, and they’re tricking readers into thinking abuse doesn’t have anything to do with misogyny.

As they write, “The bottom line is that married women are less likely to be raped, assaulted, or robbed than their unmarried peers.”

Well, that’s certainly an interesting point. How did they arrive there, and what explains it? Is it true that getting married can protect you from abuse?

Actually, no. Because correlation doesn’t mean causation. While they back up their conclusion with legitimate data points, the statistics say more about healthy relationships than they do about the institution of marriage.

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(Link): Violence Against Women: The Washington Post’s Sad, Sloppy Journalism

    The most serious problem with the Washington Post’s sloppy journalism is that it none-too-subtly suggests that all partner violence against women can be boiled down to a single factor: your relationship status.

Decades worth of research blow that simplistic idea out of the water in two seconds.

Continue reading “Are Single Women – and specifically Never Married Women – More Likely To Be Victims of Abuse? Rebuttals to this view which is advocated by W B Wilcox”

Site for Parents Who Have Been Dumped By Their Adult Kids

Site for Parents Who Have Been Dumped By Their Kids

Christians like to paint fairy tale pictures of family. If you have never married or never had children, many Christians will ostracize you or treat you like a slacker, weirdo, or failure.

They will also lay on guilt trips and scare tactics, such as say, “But if you never have kids, who will take care of you when you are old?” (see also (Link): this post for an example).

Here is a site where parents can leave posts expressing disappointment in their teen or adult children. They leave testimonies of how their children are ingrates who now ignore them and never visit, call, or help their parents.

(Link): Group For Parents of Estranged Children

Here are some excerpts from that page by parents:

by Beaner59:

    Abandoned

    It’s late, I’m alone and despondent, I weep for my son. I miss him dearly and don’t understand why he abandoned me, his dad, his brother, whole family, home. What can he be thinking?

    We had a good life, we supported his music efforts, scouting, friends. We took vacations, we laughed, watched movies.

    Sure, he screwed up — doesn’t everyone? We forgave him, he knows that — your supposed to forgive and forget, beside it wasn’t criminal–just stupid adolesent shenanigans.

    Then he went into the military service, met a girl, married. We supported all of that. Love and family, we’re Irish it’s what you do.

    The phone calls trickled to nothing. No e-mail. No correspondence.

    Continue reading “Site for Parents Who Have Been Dumped By Their Adult Kids”

New York Man Stabs His Own Daughters and Wife to Death

New York Man Stabs His Own Daughters and Wife to Death

Oh yeah, another example of how being a husband and father makes a man superior and more godly than men who are single or childless:

(Link): COPS: MAN KILLED DAUGHTERS BECAUSE HE DIDN’T HAVE CAR SEATS

All right, way to go dad! Sounds completely rational to me: kill your kids because you lacked car seats! That is some solid reasoning right there – you don’t have car seats, so you obviously can’t let your kids live.

Boy, men who are married and who are fathers are just so much more ethical, godly, mature, law abiding, and compassionate than you selfish rat bastard men who don’t marry and crank out babies!

(Link): Miguel Mejia-Ramos, Triple Homicide Suspect, Held Without Bail In NYC

(Link): Miguel Mejia-Ramos ‘murdered daughters because he didn’t have a car seat’

    HE SAID he slashed his two baby girls to death because he’d just killed their mother – and he didn’t have car seats to take them with him to Mexico, outraged officials revealed as craven New York dad Miguel Mejia-Ramos was arraigned on murder charges Friday.

    Hauled back to New York from the Mexican border, Mejia-Ramos, 28, was expressionless as a judge ordered him held with no bail for allegedly slaughtering his wife, Deisy, 21, and daughters Daniela, 3, and Yoselin, 1, during a jealousy-fuelled, five-knife rampage, The New York Post reports.

    “I was going to take them with me, but I didn’t have car seats,” the monster told cops, according to a confession released Friday.

    Mejia-Ramos admitted that he killed Deisy and then the girls in their Jamaica bedroom after searching his wife’s phone and finding pictures of her with another man, officials said.
    He grabbed several knives from a butcher block and stood over Deisy as she slept with one daughter on either side, according to the confession.

    “Deisy wakes up and screams. He drops one knife on the bed. He stabs her, she runs to the front of the bedroom, and he stabs her with another knife which he says he twists in her side and it breaks,” the confession reads.

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Related posts, this blog:

(Link): Parenthood Does Not Make People More Loving Mature Godly Ethical Caring or Responsible (One Stop Thread)

(Link): Marriage Does Not Make People More Loving Mature Godly Ethical Caring or Responsible (One Stop Thread)