Romantic Comedies: When Stalking Has a Happy Ending (from The Atlantic) / Men Who Mistake Platonic Friendliness For Flirting – So Annoying

Romantic Comedies: When Stalking Has a Happy Ending (from The Atlantic)

Some people confuse what this article from The Atlantic terms “persistent pursuing” with courtship. That is, men do it all the time, and some women, due to Hollywood Rom Coms, have been conditioned to view this as normal, romantic behavior.

May I add another related issue: men who mistake platonic chit chat with flirting?

That drives me up the wall. It’s one reason I am usually loathe to enter into pleasantries with men I don’t know when I’m in stores or sitting around in waiting rooms, because many men mistake idle, polite banter for,

  • “Oooh, this lady is into me, she is warm for my form, she wants to marry me and make babies with me, I am one sexy beast, grrrrr.”

So these men ask for your phone number or they get all flirty back. And you, the woman, are like, “I did NOT send this dude any sexy signals, where is this coming from?”

No, dude, my romantic interest is only in your imagination. (Duran Duran (Link): sang of this very concept.)

Me saying stuff like, “Wow, some crazy weather we’ve been having lately, huh?” as we’re sitting in Wal-Mart’s auto care center waiting for our tires to be rotated is not me hitting on you.

Me hitting on you, men of the world, consists of me putting one hand behind my head, one hand on a jutted out hip, head tilted back, eyes narrowly parted, and me saying something (in a seductive sounding, cat like purr), like, “Hey there big boy, you come here all alone? Mama likes what she sees! May I have your phone number? Are you free for a date this Saturday?”

Think (Link): this.

Yes, (Link): this is what a woman who is flirting with you looks like, the facial expression and mannerisms.

About men who refuse to take “no” for an answer from a woman they are interested in, who confuse pursuing with stalking: other than entitlement, I wonder if what drives some of these men is a sense that they HATE to be alone and MUST have a romantic partner to “complete them.”

I know this sort of thinking is very common among a lot of women. I think secular society (and Christian culture) does try to convince people there is no way they can be whole and happy single. There is a lot of pressure on people to pair up and date or marry.

Culture (especially through movies and TV shows) and churches need to stop sending this bogus message that there is something wrong, flawed, or second class about being single as an adult.

There is no disgrace in being single. I understand if you are single and lonely and pine for a significant other how hard it can be at times, but you are okay on your own.

You are not some loser or in-complete if you don’t have a mate, contrary to the messages Christians and Hollywood like to send us all.

(Link):  Romantic Comedies: When Stalking Has a Happy Ending by Julie Beck

Excerpts:

Overly persistent pursuit is a staple of movie love stories, but a new study shows that it could normalize some troubling behaviors.

…Reasonable people know that rom-coms aren’t what love is really like, just as reasonable people know that porn is not what sex is really like. But these movies still create an image of romance that leaks into the atmosphere and may subtly shape people’s perceptions and expectations of love.

One troubling way they may do that is by making stalking behaviors seem like a normal part of romance, according to (Link): a new study by Julia Lippman, a postdoctoral fellow in the department of communication studies at the University of Michigan.

…[Lipman says] “Indeed, they may be seen as reflecting one of the great cultural myths of romantic love: that no matter how big the obstacle, love will conquer all.”

The website TV Tropes, which tracks, wiki-style, frequently-used narrative devices—not just on TV, but in all kinds of fiction—has a page for this. It’s aptly titled (Link): “Stalking Is Love.”Lippman files stalking under the broader umbrella of “persistent pursuit,” which can also encompass “more benign and even positively regarded behaviors such as some types of romantic courtship,” she writes.

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Conservative, Church-Going Christian Guy Participates in Threesome, Jumps To Death / Masculinity So Fragile Twitter Hash Tag

Conservative, Church-Going Christian Guy Participates in Threesome, Jumps To Death

For any newbies to this blog:

I am right wing, conservative, and I was Republican.

(I am still right of center these days, but the GOP is deeply disappointing to me now (though not for most of the reasons liberals find the GOP disappointing), so I may be leaving the GOP, I have not decided on that  – and no, I am not a Democrat).

Furthermore, I was raised with traditional values in a Christian home. I was completely Christian up until around 2013 or so.

 I still have a lot of respect for conservative Christian values, but I now see that a lot of conservative Christians mis-use or misinterpret the Bible, and, in the process, some are, or can be, very rude, dismissive, or arrogant to anyone who doesn’t share their beliefs in toto.

(But no, I am not a supporter of liberal Christian theology, either. Those guys treat the Bible too much like Silly Putty.)

While I disagree with left wing, secular feminists about 95% or more of the time, I do believe they are occasionally right on some topics sometimes..

Unlike most conservatives, I do not automatically tune out liberal feminist arguments and concerns. I usually will take the time to actually go to their blogs, forums, and articles, read what they are saying, and try to understand where they are coming from.

Most other conservatives, however, have a knee-jerk tendency to out-right dismiss or ridicule left wing feminist concerns. I think this is a big mistake.

I am disappointed that my fellow conservatives do not really take the time to listen and understand what their ideological opponents are saying – I have learned in the last few years that even broken clocks are right twice a day.

Tyler Carlisle

Concerning the news story I am blogging about now:

This guy, Tyler Carlisle,  was a regular church goer.

I would take it that Carlisle would have considered himself a Christian, and it looks like his pastor or church thought that the younger church folks thought of this guy as a role model.

Stories like this just re-enforce my ever-growing belief that the “equally yoked” teaching, which is taught and believed by many Christians, as applies to dating and marriage, is a lot of Hooey, or largely irrelevant to adult singles.

(I grew up as a conservative Christian and used to be a subscriber to the “equally yoked” teaching, for anyone reading this who is new to this blog.)

You have, as in this example (link farther below), church-going Christian guys who are having pre-marital sex – via threesomes, no less – and then stabbing his friend in the neck in a jealous fit, and I don’t see his (or their) morals necessarily being any better or worse than your average Non-Christian.

There are probably Non-Christians with better morals than this.

I can also see (thanks to stories like this), how it’s better to be single and celibate. You sure do avoid a lot of grief in life without getting mixed up in love affairs or sexual acts.

Masculinity So Fragile

Some of my fellow right wingers and conservatives (that’s correct, yours truly who is writing this post is NOT a left winger) are having a cow over the “Masculinity So Fragile” hash tag on Twitter, but I think stories like this go to show there may be something to the concept.

I cannot imagine most women feeling so slighted during a sexual escapade or from not receiving what they believe is enough attention from a male suitor that they deal with it by stabbing someone in the neck and then jumping from a window.

This story shows that a lot of men do have a very deeply held sense of entitlement to sex from women.

(I have another news story to blog about some other time that is just as, if not, more troubling in some ways than this one, which also highlights male entitlement towards sex and women.)

This news story also shows that there is something deeply wrong with any religious group, and with a secular culture, that produces something like this – there is something very “off” and disturbing about attitudes towards dating, sex, and women that is being communicated to a lot of men.

For more examples of that, of male entitlement in dating, or towards women in general, please see links at the bottom of this post, under the “Related Posts” section.

(Link):  Student jumped to his death from window during threesome after stabbing friend in jealous rage

(Link):   Yale student jumped out of window during threesome after stabbing his best friend when he felt that he was getting too much attention from their female partner

  • Tyler Carlisle, 21 stabbed friend Alexander Michaud in the neck on May 26 and then jumped out a window to his death
  • The police report from the incident now reveals the two men had been having a threesome with another woman at the time
  • Michaud, now 22, told an officer that Carlisle had become jealous when he thought the girl was not paying enough attention to him and stabbed him
  • Carlisle was pronounced dead on the scene, less than one week after graduating from Yale
  • The unnamed female was unharmed in the incident, and she and Michaud still attend Yale

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