Hungry ISIS Fighters (Muslim Extremists) Just Want Their Wives To Cook Pancakes – When Islam Sounds Like Christianity

Hungry ISIS Fighters (Muslim Extremists) Just Want Their Wives To Cook Pancakes – When Islam Sounds Like Christianity

(Link):  Hungry ISIS fighters just want their wives to cook pancakes (excerpts from this article much farther below) No, the heading of this blog post,

  •  Hungry ISIS Fighters (Muslim Extremists) Just Want Their Wives To Cook Pancakes – When Islam Sounds Like Christianity 

is not a strawman.

I can just imagine Christians wanting to tell me that Christianity is nothing like Islam.

But it is, in some regards.

Despite the fact that no conservative Christian group I am aware of would “honor kill” a woman for being a rape victim or decapitate a woman as some Muslims do, both groups never the less share some similar views about women, which happen to be restrictive towards women.

Understand that I was brought up in this culture. I was raised as a Christian gender complementarian, though I later rejected this teaching in adulthood. I realized that the Bible does not teach it.

Despite the fact that Gender Complementarians (Christians who believe that the Bible teaches strict gender roles for men and women, and they sometimes use the label ‘biblical manhood and womanhood’) will sometimes state in their literature that they do not believe that all women must or should marry, have children, and be “stay at home mothers” who bake cookies all day, they actually do quite strongly teach this, and it’s always implied.

Christian gender complementarians frequently publish articles to women in their blogs and books that tell women how to be good wives and mothers – which sometimes include tips on how to look pretty for one’s husband, recipes for casseroles, and so on.

See for example(Link): this post of mine for more on that.

ASIDE: FOLKS WHO MOCK SECULAR FEMINIST ARGUMENTS ABOUT TRADITIONAL GENDER ROLES

By the way, there is one conservative guy I follow on Twitter who regularly mocks secular feminists for disputing traditional gender roles. (I also sometimes see one or two well known Christian or politically conservative women on Twitter who also quibble with secular feminists about this.)

While I happen to be right wing myself (I’m a conservative too, and do not always agree with feminists), I do think secular feminists are partially correct on some of these points involving gender roles.

I am conservative and heterosexual, but I for one do not neatly fit the “traditional gender role” views as put forth by evangelical Christians and social conservatives, which is one reason of several I am considering leaving the Christian faith, or keeping a very basic belief in Christ but jettisoning the rest of it.

Regarding this right wing guy I follow on Twitter who consistently mocks feminists who dispute gender roles:

It’s beyond me why a guy who has traditional values (concerning his religious views and spirituality, I’m not sure if he’s a Christian, atheist, or what) would mock folks who object to traditional gender roles, since stubbornly sticking to them is causing so many conservative women (and maybe some men) to leave the Republican Party and/or to leave social conservativism and/or the Christian faith.

Traditional gender roles force people into boxes that they do not fit in and do not want to live in, which can create problems for them.

I was feminine enough growing up and as an adult, but was not an “uber girly girl” that Christians told me that I ‘should’ be.

Never mind that the Bible does not explicitly spell out what “being a woman” is “supposed” to look like in American culture in the 20th or 21st centuries.

I was taught by my mother, by Christian (and secular) material I read or saw on TV, that because I was a girl, I was supposed to be maternal, I was supposed to want to have babies some day, that I should always want to wear frilly, pink, flowered covered clothing.

The fact is, I never cared for any of those things.

I’ve often found babies annoying and never really cared if I had one myself or not. If other people want to have children, good on them, but it’s something that was not terribly appealing to me personally.

Conversely, I was also taught by parents, culture, and church, that because I was a girl, I was NOT supposed to wear jeans, sneakers, nor was I supposed to want to do things like run, climb trees, watch Bat Man reruns on TV, be a Ghost Rider comic fan, nor was I supposed to enjoy any of those things.

But I was in fact, as a kid, a Bat Man and Ghost Rider fan, liked to watch Bat Man on tv, wear jeans and sneakers and climb trees. That’s who I was, and I got really tired of being shamed or criticized for it.

In adulthood, I see fellow conservatives shaming other adults for not playing out these traditional gender roles – or for merely questioning them to start with – and I do not comprehend this.

If you are a conservative, I would think you would be supportive of people’s freedom to choose.

If a man wants to dance in the ballet, or write sensitive poetry, rather than become a quarterback for the NFL, rather than mock him, why wouldn’t you just respect the fact that he’s an adult who wants to chose for himself what he wants to do with his life?

I sometimes see news stories of liberal, Democrat mayors who try to make laws that prevent adults from choosing to drink soda because they think soda is not healthy. Isn’t that a form of “nanny stating?”

How is a liberal wanting to prevent adults from drinking Coke or Pepsi any different than Republicans and social conservatives wanting to shame adults from pursuing non-gender-stereotypical hobbies?

Jesus Christ did not fit today’s American, evangelical, social conservative, Christian traditional gender roles, either. Continue reading “Hungry ISIS Fighters (Muslim Extremists) Just Want Their Wives To Cook Pancakes – When Islam Sounds Like Christianity”

Pro-Life, Christian Sites that Flirt With Denigrating Singleness and Childlessness In Their Quest to Argue Against Abortion / Re Eric Metaxas etc

Pro-Life, Christian Sites that Flirt With Denigrating Singleness and Childlessness In Their Quest to Argue Against Abortion / Re Eric Metaxas etc

If you are new to this blog: I am pro-life. I do not support abortion.

I have traditional values, and was completely a Christian up until a couple years ago; I currently reside somewhere between being a Christian and being agnostic. I am not hostile towards traditional marriage or “the family.”

I do, however, object to the fact that many conservative Christians have turned marriage and family into deity, and they marginalize and shame anyone who has not married or had children.

One troubling aspect I see in Christian sites or blogs that champion traditional values, or ones that argue against abortion, is a propensity to equate adult singleness, celibacy, and remaining childless to being selfish, to being opposed to God, the Bible, or biblical values.

Many times, these sites that argue for the nuclear family and against abortion do not take into account that many adult singles are remaining single not by choice, but due to circumstance.

See, for example, this post on this blog:

(Link):  Want To But Can’t – The One Christian Demographic Being Continually Ignored by Christians Re: Marriage

I myself had wanted to marry, but my relationship with my fiance did not work out so I had to break up with him, and I have not met anyone suitable since.

I cannot put a gun to a man’s head and force him to marry me, nor do I want to order a male-order mail groom, nor do I have a magic wand where I can wave it about and make a man appear out of thin air.

I don’t think Christians who obsessively advocate for marriage, natalism, and the nuclear family, appreciate that getting married is not as simple or easy as they seem to think it is.

For more on that typical mindset among Christians, please see this post at this blog: (Link):  Typical Conservative Assumption: If you want marriage bad enough (or at all), Mr. Right will magically appear

I follow the site “Life News” on Twitter, and I tend to agree with many, though not all, of their views. I am not sure, but I think Life News is a Roman Catholic based organization, but many of their view points sound similar to Protestant or Baptist positions on marriage, abortion, and other topics.

Life News is a very pro-life site, which I am fine with. However, today, they tweeted a link to this page, and I do have some misgivings by how they have represented singleness and the state of being childless, via this editorial by Eric Metaxas:

(Link): “Choice,” Abortion Behind Worldwide Demographic Spiral by Eric Metaxas

I’m not sure, but I believe that Metaxas is Protestant. At any rate, here are some excerpts:

by Eric Metaxas

As you might suspect, this pro-choice “age of possibility” has room for almost anything—except children. Brooks notes: “The number of Americans who are living alone has shot up from 9 percent in 1950 to 28 percent today. In 1990, 65 percent of Americans said that children are very important to a successful marriage. Now, only 41 percent of Americans say they believe that.

And here’s the kicker: “There are now more American houses with dogs than with children.”

Continue reading “Pro-Life, Christian Sites that Flirt With Denigrating Singleness and Childlessness In Their Quest to Argue Against Abortion / Re Eric Metaxas etc”

The Odd Evangelical Obsession With Sex and Its Ramifications, and How Sexual Purity Material Is Peddled For Profit by Christians: article from The Atlantic: The Warrior Wives of Evangelical Christianity

The Odd Evangelical Obsession With Sex and Its Ramifications: article from The Atlantic: The Warrior Wives of Evangelical Christianity 

Though this post’s title contains the word “Evangelical,” I see some of these same issues discussed below also crop up among some Fundamentalists and Calvinists / Reformed. Self-identifying evangelicals do NOT hold a monopoly on odd views about, or obsession with, sex and marriage, that is for sure.

Here is the link to the article, followed by some observations by me, and farther below that, excerpts from the article (the article goes on to discuss how Christian gender complementarianism, also known as “Biblical Manhood and Womanhood,” can be fertile ground for wife abuse, but I don’t think I will be focusing on that in my post), and I’ll probably make yet more comments below the excerpt:

(Link): The Warrior Wives of Evangelical Christianity by Emma Green

  • The intense focus on sexuality, purity, manhood, and womanhood in certain faith communities—and its consequences.

My thoughts:

I don’t know if I shall be copying portions from the last half of the article, where it discusses how complementarianism can lead to domestic violence or perpetuate it, or how white Christians have co-opted the word “evangelical.”

One section from the last half I did find interesting is where the authors or researchers interviewed who mentioned that what seems to be driving the purity culture and books on marriage and sex is profit – money.

It’s largely white evangelicals who are buying books about sex, marital sex, and sexual purity, so the white authors are pumping this material out to them to make a buck.

I see, of course, that Christians have been selling Jesus as a product for decades now, and I don’t only mean “Jesus Junk” (the t-shirts and bracelets that have Bible verses imprinted on them and so on), but your “Word of Faith” tele-evangelists who sell Jesus to make a profit.

The smarmy Word of Faith preachers promise you that if you tithe, or send them at least a one time check of X amount, that God will heal you, restore your marriage, or bless your finances.

That is pretty bad. But I find it highly distasteful that sexual purity is also being pushed as a money making venture by these people.

I lived out virginity (and I’m over 40 years of age) out of principle and true love for God, and I find it objectionable that evangelicals are turning these issues into a means to make money.

I find it appalling that virginity and sexuality are being shilled for a buck by evangelicals and Neo Calvinists.

That Christians are selling sex as a product at all, even in the form of sexual purity products (such as purity rings), and even under the guise of G-rated to PG- rated (or in the case of preacher Mark Driscoll, R- to- X rated) “marriage (sex)” guidance books, is still selling sex, which makes them like Madams of Whorehouses.

In my opinion, Christians selling sexual purity products or marital sex books is only removed a few degrees from secular culture, which also sells sex, via Playboy magazine, X-rated movies, and using large chested, bikini clad models on TV commercials to sell hamburgers.

I have discussed this before, such as:

(Link):  Sexual Purity, Virginity, and Celibacy As Product – and: Christian Myths That Are Keeping Marriage Minded Single Women Single Courtesy Dannah Gresh

Excerpts from (and I have more thoughts about this far, far below):

(Link): The Warrior Wives of Evangelical Christianity by Emma Green

  • “Your husband will want sex way more than you do,” advises Elizabeth of the blog Warrior Wives in a post called (Link): Wifey Sex Confessions.”
  • “God just made him to think about sex more than you. … Never demean this about him. Never laugh at him or make fun of him. Accept it as a difference.”
  • Accept it as a difference. It may sound like so much cliched marital advice, but this is a much-discussed idea about sexuality in the evangelical Christian community: Men and women are different.

Continue reading “The Odd Evangelical Obsession With Sex and Its Ramifications, and How Sexual Purity Material Is Peddled For Profit by Christians: article from The Atlantic: The Warrior Wives of Evangelical Christianity”

Mother Admits She Loves Her Pet Dog More Than She Loves Her Son

Christians run around teaching that motherhood is a woman’s only godly calling in life, and that parenting makes a person more loving, godly, and mature – yet here we have a woman who admits she had a kid and still prefers her dog.

(Link): Mom Admits She Loves Her Dog More Than Her Son

(Link): I love my dog MORE than my son: It’s an astonishing confession – but this mother insists she means it

  • Kelly Rose adores her four-year-old West Highland White terrier, Matilda
  • She admits she sometimes loves her more than her son, William 
  • Son is growing up and becoming independent
  • But Matilda will always need her and is always affectionate 
  • Study found dogs trigger same parental instincts in adults as their children
  • …She is my four-year-old West Highland White terrier, and I freely admit that I love her as much as I love my 11-year-old son, William. In fact, on some occasions I love her more than him. And I don’t feel a bit guilty about admitting that.

    My son spreads mess around the house. He has to be chided and reminded to do his homework and put away his clothes, or told off for answering back, while my dear, sweet-natured Matilda is always obedient, even-tempered and brimming with affection.

  • ..Everything I do for Matilda [pet dog] results in love and gratitude. Every plate of food is gulped down amid much tail-wagging and excitement; the mere mention of a walk produces yaps of joy and wet doggy kisses.

    By contrast, no matter how many meals I dream up for William, how many of his clothes I launder or how many times I take him swimming or to after-school clubs, I barely get a word of recognition or thanks.

  • Before you pick up the phone to the NSPCC, you should know that I’m not alone in how I feel. A recent study revealed that dogs trigger the same parental instincts in adults as their children do. Dog-owning mums reacted with the same feelings of love and compassion to images of their pet as they did to those of their children.

    It comes as no surprise to me that in one part of the study, where the area of the brain that deals with facial recognition was analysed, the women responded more favourably to pictures of their canine companions than to pictures of their offspring.

  • This resonates with me. For, much as I love my son – and I do, more than any words could express – I also love Matilda with the same drive and passion. And on occasions, those feelings of love for her do run deeper than those I have for William.

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Related:

(Link): Are Marriage Motherhood and Family A Woman’s Highest Calling? by Marcia Wolf – and other links that address the Christian fallacy that a woman’s most godly or only proper role is as wife and mother

(Link):  Baby Making Fixation at Christianity Today Magazine Online – Shaming Women For Not Procreating, or For Delaying Motherhood, or For Limiting the Number of Children

(Link): Southern Baptists Pushing Early Marriage, Baby Making – Iranians Pushing Mandatory Motherhood – When Christians Sound Like Muslims

Ohio Preacher Asked Men if they Performed Oral Sex on Spouses, Asked Males if they Had Large Penises, Asked to Look at their Penises, Asked One Actor if He Shaved His Pubic Hair, Encouraged Women Congregants to Get Abortions, Males to Get Vasectomies / Another Blow to “Be Equally Yoked” Christian Teachings

Ohio Preacher Asked Men if they Performed Oral Sex on Spouses, Asked Males if they Had Large Penises, Asked to Look at their Penises, Asked One Actor if He Shaved His Pubic Hair, Encouraged Women Congregants to Get Abortions, Males to Get Vasectomies / Another Blow to “Be Equally Yoked” Christian Teachings

(Link):  Ohio televangelist ‘forced members to have vasectomies and abortions, told women to treat pregnancies as tumors and allowed children to be sexually abused’

  • Vasectomies and abortions encouraged to save offspring from today’s evils 
  • A pregnant woman was told to treat her fetus as if it was a tumor
  • Abuse victims claim Ernest Angley told them to keep their allegations secret

Before I paste in a bunch more links to this news story, here are some of my thoughts about it:

Yet another shining example of why Christian women should not even bother with “being equally yoked,” as some church-going, self professing Christian men, some of whom work as elders or preachers, are perverts who molest people or overstep their bounds.

I am surprised at how many Christians went along with this perverted preacher and for how long. Some of them went to this guy’s church for months or years before working up the courage or disgust to walk out.

Christians are some of the biggest, passive wimps I have ever met.

Many Christians are severely codependent – they routinely take Bible verses about “being meek” and “turning the cheek” and “loving your enemy” to wrongly assume the Bible is teaching them to be doormats and to tolerate evil and idiots – but it’s not teaching you to put up with any of that, or to be a doormat.

What I am trying to say is that if you are a grown man (or woman) attending a church where the pastor tells you to get an abortion, or asked you to drop your drawers to look at your penis, or he asks if you perform oral sex on your wife, or whatever inappropriate action or remark he makes, you should respond in one of several ways to these scenarios:

  • 1. Punch him in his disgusting face
  • 2. Tell him none of his damn business, and that he is a pervert
  • 3. Extend your middle finger to his face and tell him to F*CK OFF
  • 4. Stop attending his church the first time such a situation occurs

What is not an option: complying with his disgusting wish. This dude is just some old perverted coot. He has no authority over you, NONE.

Assuming you work at a secular job (not at the same church where the abuse is going down):

Just like your boss at your job has no right to threaten your ass with firing if you don’t sleep with him or show him your nude penis, and just as your boss at your job has no right to ask about your sexual habits, you are under no obligation to go along with bat sh*t insane requests like, “so, tell me, do you have a big penis,” or, “hey, drop your pants and underwear so I can check out your genitals” from your preacher.

Christians of the world, being a “good, biblical Christian” has nothing to do with being a doormat.

Stop allowing people to exploit you.

Never participate in something that makes you feel uncomfortable, such as telling your pastor how big your penis is, or what your sex life is like. Those subjects and ones like them are NONE OF YOUR PREACHER’S BUSINESS, not even in the guise of “men’s accountability” meetings or groups.

Seriously, go out and get a copy of the books,

  • Boundaries” by Christian psychiatrists Cloud and Townsend,
  • No More Christian Nice Guy” by Paul Coughlin,
  • The Disease to Please” by Dr. H. Braiker

-and read them, read those books! If money is an issue, perhaps your local library has copies you can check out.

The first two books will explain to you why being a Christian does NOT MEAN having to take sh-t off other people (God does not expect, command, or demand that you permit yourself to be abused or used by other people), the third is a general book not necessarily written from a “Christian” view but it is invaluable to Christians who are too terrified to say “no” to people and who believe that having limits is selfish, mean, or unbiblical.

Christians: You have a right to say “no” to gross or weird questions or requests, even from your church preacher.

Also: as much as I cannot stand the extreme emphasis most churches put on marriage, natalism, and parenting, which alienates singles, widowers, and the infertile – I do NOT condone the extreme opposite: a church where the pastor and/or other members pressure people to NOT marry or NOT have children.

Whether you marry or not or have a kid or not is YOUR CHOICE, and your church should shut their pie holes about it.

The Bible defends all situations: having a kid, not having a kid (whether by choice or by circumstance); being single OR being married.

There is nothing sinful or shameful about getting married OR being single, or with having children or NOT having children.

(Link):  Ohio televangelist ‘forced members to have vasectomies and abortions, told women to treat pregnancies as tumors and allowed children to be sexually abused’

  • Vasectomies and abortions encouraged to save offspring from today’s evils 
  • A pregnant woman was told to treat her fetus as if it was a tumor
  • Abuse victims claim Ernest Angley told them to keep their allegations secret

(Link):  Televangelist pastor accused of forcing vasectomies and abortions on church members

Former members of Grace Cathedral in Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio have accused church leader and televangelist Ernest Angley of demanding they have abortions or vasectomies, and that he would both engage in and turn a blind eye to sexual abuse in the church.

Continue reading “Ohio Preacher Asked Men if they Performed Oral Sex on Spouses, Asked Males if they Had Large Penises, Asked to Look at their Penises, Asked One Actor if He Shaved His Pubic Hair, Encouraged Women Congregants to Get Abortions, Males to Get Vasectomies / Another Blow to “Be Equally Yoked” Christian Teachings”

Why It’s Completely OK if You Don’t Like Babies – Is A Baby the Ultimate Buzzkill? by M. Ruiz

(Link): Why It’s Completely OK if You Don’t Like Babies – Is A Baby the Ultimate Buzzkill?

Excerpts

  • By Michelle Ruiz
  • A dirty little secret is out — some women think babies are tiny life-ruiners.
  • Never mind their adorable giggles … or the way they perpetuate the circle of life. Babies have become the enemies of ambitious, adventurous women who believe that infants steal your freedom, derail your career, and mess up your relationship. In short, “They ruin your life,” says Kate Thompson, 30, an account executive from Washington, D.C. “They’re the most selfish beings on the planet.” A baby seems like a puking, pooping menace to Thompson’s sexy, new marriage. She loves spontaneous dinners and relaxing beach vacations with her husband, Will. A baby, they agree, would be the ultimate buzzkill.
  • Babies are taking a backseat as women become more highly educated and arguably more focused on their careers than ever before. There are fewer babies being born in the U.S., and more women are waiting longer to have them.
  • …. Some women enjoy babies but simply don’t want to have children. But others are becoming more blunt about their baby hate — and their disdain for in-your-face parents who allow their babies to disturb the peace at restaurants and on airplanes. “I can’t stand a baby, and unfortunately, they’re at every turn,” says Leiby, who claims babies are lording over her Instagram feed and drooling all over her favorite brunch spots. Aggressive parents make it worse, she says. “I feel like people are showing off, ‘We have this baby and we have this life! Look, it’s working!’ But you’re ruining my breakfast. It’s not working at all. Everyone hates you.”
  • Admitting to hating babies in the era of attachment parenting — think Alicia Silverstone passing food from her mouth to her son’s — remains socially taboo. “Women always have to say, ‘I love kids, I just don’t want them.’ You can’t ever just be like, ‘I don’t like them,'” says Chanel Dubofsky, 35, a writer and graduate student in Brooklyn. “There’s this idea out there that you have to become a parent, and if you don’t, you’re not a woman. It’s so annoying.”
  • ….Baby haters may be in the minority, but they’re proof that happily-ever-after doesn’t have to include a freshly swaddled baby.
  • ((click here to read the rest))

God’s Babies: Natalism and Bible Interpretation in Modern America – book (donations via Kick Starter site requested)

God’s Babies: Natalism and Bible Interpretation in Modern America 

I want to reiterate I have traditional morals and am not “anti family,” nor am I anti-marriage.

I don’t have a problem with marriage, people having children, and so on. Where I draw the line is at the extreme focus so many American Christians place upon these things.

Some Christians take life choices and situations the Bible is fine with, such as marriage and procreation, and blow them way out of proportion to the point they shame or criticize Christians who never marry, who don’t have children, or who have less than what is considered the optimal number of children. Or, they pressure and guilt trip Christians into marrying, marrying by a certain age, or pressure them into having children.

The author who wrote this has left a comment or two on this blog before. It appears as though he needs donations to get his book – which is about a critique of the extreme, fringe Christian push for natalism – published, or distributed, or what not (details are in the Kick Starter link farther below).

I have skimmed both pages over. I hope the book not only mentions the pressure young people get from certain churches and denominations to marry young and pop out many children, but that this extreme emphasis also –

1. erodes the Gospel (God intends to increase converts via Christians sharing of the Gospel; not by Christian parents having children); and

2. marginalizes and excludes anyone who cannot marry, who does not marry, and/or who does not have children (e.g., married women who are infertile, or single women who want to marry but who cannot find “Mr. Right,” etc).

Here are the links:

1. (Link):  God’s Babies: Natalism and Bible Interpretation in Modern America

2. (Link): Critiques natalist idea that a wife should bear many babies by John McKeown – Kick Starter Page, donations requested

From Link 1, an excerpt:

  • It [the book] explores the ancient cultural context of the Bible verses quoted by natalists. Challenging the assumption that religion normally promotes fecundity, the book finds surprising exceptions among early Christians (with a special focus on Saint Augustine) since they advocated spiritual fecundity in preference to biological fecundity.
  • Finally the book uses a hermeneutic lens derived from Genesis 1, and prioritising the modern problem of biodiversity, to provide ecological interpretations of the Bible’s “fruitful” verses.

From Link 2, Kick Starter page, excerpts (the intro on the page):

  • God’s Babies challenges Fundamentalist interpreters of “be fruitful and multiply” and finds a different message among early Christians.
  • Natalism is an ideology aiming to persuade young people that God expects them to get married quickly and try to bear numerous babies. Bible verses such as “be fruitful and multiply” are deployed by natalist advocates.
  • Some preachers look for long-term gain in denominational membership and an electoral boost for Fundamentalist policies. However all this depends on their persuading young people, whose initial personal preference may be for a smaller family.
  • My book presents different interpretations from early Christianity of what it really means to be “fruitful”. This may enable some people resist natalist ideology, or break free from it.

Some of the quotes the author provides from natalism groups (from Link 2):

  • Other less moderate voices include the editor of a leading U.S. homeschool magazine, who laments that “many parents have stopped at two or three children” and tells readers that “God is not satisfied with average fruitfulness” (Campbell 48).

I think not. The Bible nowhere states that God commands any believer to have a certain number of children, and if they fall below that number, God is unhappy or unsatisfied. Spare me.

I thought Protestant Christians were supposed to believe in sola scriptura? From the way Marriage and Children Christian Idolizers operate, I guess not, as they are forever making up things about family, parenting, and marriage that God never said in the Bible!

Another creepy, natalist quote from the page:

  • A minority among natalists also forbid family planning: “God opens and closes the womb!” and we should not “take over the responsibility” (hess 23, 141). “Spacing is the attempt to usurp God’s sovereignty by self-crafting one’s family” (Pride 77). Other natalists permit family planning, as long as couples seek to plan a large family.

Isn’t much of that like saying God forbids dental care, that if God doesn’t want you to get cavities, he won’t allow it, so you should forever swear off tooth brushing, dental floss, and dental visits? I think if you take that view, your teeth will rot and fall out.

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Related posts:

(Link):  Misapplication of Biblical Verses About Fertility (also mentions early marriage) – a paper by J. McKeown

(Link):  Southern Baptists Pushing Early Marriage, Baby Making – Iranians Pushing Mandatory Motherhood – When Christians Sound Like Muslims

(Link):  Extremist Muslims Like Family Values Too – Muslims are joining ISIS / ISIL (extremist Islamic group) because they believe it supports “Family Values” – When Christianity and Islam sound alike

(Link):  Marriage, Parenthood, Judgment by Christians and Non Christians – You Can’t Win No Matter What Choice You Make

(Link):  “Who is my mother and who are my brothers?” – one of the most excellent Christian rebuttals I have seen against the Christian idolatry of marriage and natalism, and in support of adult singleness and celibacy – from CBE’s site

(Link):  More Americans Than Ever Have Never Married: (2014) Survey

(Link):  Conservatives and Christians Fretting About U.S. Population Decline – We Must “Out-breed” Opponents Christian Host Says

(Link):  Are Marriage and Family A Woman’s Highest Calling? by Marcia Wolf – and other links that address the Christian fallacy that a woman’s most godly or only proper role is as wife and mother

(Link):  Christianity Should Be Able To Work Regardless of Culture, Childed or Marital Status / Article: Unlike in the 1950s, there is no ‘typical’ U.S. family today by B. Shulte

(Link):  Are Single People the Lepers of Today’s Church? by Gina Dalfonzo

(Link):  “Marriage is the closest you can come to being like Christ.” ~ says an obnoxious married Christian man to an unmarried woman

(Link):  The Nauseating Push by Evangelicals for Early Marriage

Yeah, “Early Marriage” won’t prevent this situation:
(Link): Why Christians Need to Uphold Lifelong Celibacy as an Option for All Instead of Merely Pressuring All to Marry – vis a vis Sexless Marriages, Counselors Who Tell Marrieds that Having Affairs Can Help their Marriages

(Link):  The Irrelevancy To Single or Childless or Childfree Christian Women of Biblical Gender Complementarian Roles / Biblical Womanhood Teachings

(Link): Salvation By Marriage Alone – The Over Emphasis Upon Marriage (and “family”) by Conservative Christians Evangelicals Southern Baptists

(Link): How Christians Have Failed on Teaching Maturity and Morality Vis A Vis Marriage / Parenthood – Used as Markers of Maturity Or Assumed to be Sanctifiers

(Link): Misuse of Terms Such As “Traditional Families” by Christians – Re: Kirk Cameron, Homosexual Marriage, and the 2014 Grammys

(Link):  Why Christians Need To Stress Spiritual Family Over the Nuclear Family – People with no flesh and blood relations including Muslims who Convert to Christianity – Also: First World, White, Rich People Problems

(Link): Is The Church Failing Childless Women? by Diane Paddison

(Link): Lies The Church Tells Single Women (by Sue Bohlin)

(Link): A Response to the Hemingway Editorial ‘Fecundophobia’ – conservatives and Christians continue to idolize children, marriage – which is unbiblical

(Link): Christian Patriarchy Group: God Demands You Marry and Have Babies to Defeat Paganism and Satan. Singles and the Childless Worthless (in this worldview).

(Link):  Singles Shaming at The Vintage church in Raleigh – Singlehood Shaming / Celibate and Virgin Shaming

(Link): The Bible Does Not Teach Christians to “Focus On The Family” – The Idolization of Family by American Christians (article)

(Link):  “Because I was single I felt second class.”-by Chandin, former Mars Hill member & single, on Mars Hill church

(Link): Are There Any Protestant or Baptist Singles – Friendly Churches or Denominations ? / Singles Single Adult Childfree Childless Age 30 40 50 Christian

(Link): I’m Childless, Not Child-Incompetent (editorial by G. Dalfonzo) – The Christian Tendency to Worship Family, Motherhood, and Children

(Link): Why all the articles about being Child Free? On Being Childfree or Childless – as a Conservative / Right Wing / Christian

(Link):  Father Beats Two Year Old Daughter to Death For Soiling Diaper – Parenthood does NOT make people more godly or loving, Christians

Praying for a Child – The Catholic Church makes life impossible for infertile women.

Praying for a Child – The Catholic Church makes life impossible for infertile women.

(Link):  Praying for a Child – The Catholic Church makes life impossible for infertile women.

My thoughts on this editorial:

I am not Roman Catholic, and I disagree with much of their theology, but – there are similarities between what is expressed in this editorial and views I see from Baptists and Protestants in how they treat women who are childless, infertile, or childfree.

Too many religions place way too much emphasis on natalism and “the family.”

You will notice that Jesus Christ, and Paul the apostle, sought to move the Christian faith AWAY from such a strong emphasis on those issues, but American Christians (and many other world religions) keep putting “the family” and pro-creation at the forefront of their beliefs.

Both Christ and Paul taught that it is acceptable to God for a person to remain childless or single, regardless of most of the reasons.

Unfortunately, Christians today, whether going under the banner of Catholicism or Protestantism, have totally undermined what Christ taught and was trying to do, which was to teach that the spiritual bonds of people should out-weight blood relations, and the kingdom of God should grow by conversion, not by physical procreation.

Women should not be made to feel they are failures or “second class” if they never marry or never have children, but this is too often exactly what happens in many churches and denominations – and this is NOT what Christ intended.

Jesus Christ did not die on the cross for “the family,” he died for the sins of the world – for each individual and humanity as a whole, not for things like traditional marriage, natalism, and traditional values, and I say this as someone who is conservative and not “anti family.”

You will see many Christians insisting, wrongly, that motherhood (and/or marriage) is a woman’s highest calling in life, or only acceptable Godly role, yet, they will also chastize and shame women who are infertile who seek to have children via IVF, surrogate motherhood, or what have you. It’s a very insulting double standard.

(Christians also do this in regards to marriage: tell you that you are second class and incomplete without a spouse, but if you dare to get a mate via a dating site or what have you, you will then be scolded for supposedly “making marriage into an idol.” The double standards are beyond hypocritical.)

(Link):  Praying for a Child – The Catholic Church makes life impossible for infertile women.

Excerpts:

Father Beats Two Year Old Daughter to Death For Soiling Diaper – Parenthood does NOT make people more godly or loving, Christians

Father Beats Two Year Old Daughter to Death For Soiling Diaper – Parenthood does NOT make people more godly or loving, Christians

Many Christian frequently like to teach that it takes marriage and/or parenting to make people mature and godly.

If that is so, why do I weekly – WEEKLY – see stories of married parents who murder, rape, or neglect their children, or their foster children – and some of these are Christian people? (See (Link): more examples here)

While looking for news links about this story, I found another, separate one of ANOTHER father who tossed his toddler kid in a dryer:

(Link): Father of Two-Year-Old Allegedly Put in Dryer Speaks Out

  • The father of a two-year-old boy who officials say was put in a clothes dryer last month is speaking out.
  • Michael Sousa says his son is feeling back to normal a month after the incident.
  • Court documents say the boy suffered second degree burns on his back and arms as well as burns and blisters on his feet.

Here is the original story I wanted to blog about:

(Link): Texas soldier beat toddler to death for soiling diaper: police

  • A Fort Bliss, Texas, soldier beat his 2-year-old daughter to death after he became upset that she soiled her diaper, police said on Monday.
  • Dartarious Graham, a 20-year-old U.S. Army specialist, was arrested by El Paso police and charged with capital murder in the death of his daughter. Peyton Graham was found unresponsive with suspicious injuries in her father’s apartment and later died at a hospital on Saturday, police said.

  • Graham’s cousin, Robert Franklin, 19, witnessed the beating in the child’s bedroom and walked away without calling for help, police said in a statement.

    The child’s mother, Elizabeth Graham, 23, was not home at the time of the incident.

(Link): Fort Bliss soldier beat toddler to death with belt for soiling her diaper: police

  • Three people, including the 2-year-old girl’s parents, have been charged after the toddler was found suffering both new and previously inflicted wounds in her El Paso, Texas, home Saturday evening, said police.
  • BY NINA GOLGOWSKI
  • NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
  • Monday, September 22, 2014, 8:56 PM Fort Bliss soldier is accused of beating his 2-year-old daughter to death with a belt all because she soiled her diaper.

    The little girl was unconscious and suffering both new and previous wounds to her body when her father, Dartarious Graham, 20, called for help after delivering the ruthless beating Saturday evening, El Paso police said.

    “Dartarious Graham became upset that his daughter had soiled her diaper and began to beat the child with a belt while he and the victim were in the child’s bedroom,” police said in a release.

(Link): Toddler beaten to death for soiling diaper: Cops

(Link): Police: Father Beat Toddler To Death For Soiling Diaper

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Related posts:

(Link): How Christians Have Failed on Teaching Maturity and Morality Vis A Vis Marriage / Parenthood – Used as Markers of Maturity Or Assumed to be Sanctifiers

(Link): Christian ‘Married People’ Privilege – Marrieds Think Single Life = Easy / Marrieds and Parents Turn All Topics Into Them And Their Needs / Problems

“Who is my mother and who are my brothers?” – one of the most excellent Christian rebuttals I have seen against the Christian idolatry of marriage and natalism, and in support of adult singleness and celibacy – from CBE’s site

“Who is my mother and who are my brothers?” – one of the most excellent Christian rebuttals I have seen against the Christian idolatry of marriage and natalism, and in support of adult singleness and celibacy – from CBE’s site

(Link): “Who is my mother and who are my brothers?” – from CBE site, by Carrie A. Miles

(If that link does not work, please try (Link): this one to access the article)

As I wrote in a much older posts, Christian single men need to strongly reconsider supporting gender complementarianism, if they do so already, because GC (gender complementarianism, as espoused by Christian groups such as “Council for Biblical Womanhood and Manhood” and by people such as preacher Mark Driscoll and many other male pastors, as well as entire denominations, such as Southern Bapists), discriminate against single, childless men.

These groups not only promote sexism against women, and limit women, but they do so against MEN as well, especially un-married, childless men.

Under patriarchy beliefs, or even standard GC (gender complementarian) teachings, Christian men are told that they are demanded or expected to marry, marry young, and to have lots of children, and it’s argued that the Bible itself supports those propositions (though it does not).

If men do not marry, do not marry young, and do not have children, they are told, they are in disobedience to God, breaking biblical rules, defrauding women, and are displeasing God.

Depending on the particular GC preacher or organization, men will further be told that they are not “real” men if they don’t have a career with a paycheck that enables their wife to stay at home and raise children.

If you are a man who has a wife, and she must work to help pay bills, you are considered a “man fail” by these groups.

Also depending on the particular GC preacher or church, men who are artistic, creative, sensitive (I don’t mean homosexual, all I mean are men who are not as into “manly men” stereotypes as others), men who are not into MMA or NFL, men who do not fit stereotypical he-man American pursuits and interests, are derided for being wimps and “pussified” (their word) by male, GC preachers (see this link for some examples).

If you are a conservative, Christian man and want to read opposing views to GC by other conservative Christians who interpret the Bible literally, you need to start researching Christian gender egalitarianism books and sites.

One such site is CBE, Christians for Biblical Equality.

CBE is not a group of man-hating, liberal feminists who allegorize the Bible. They are conservative Christians, and sometimes have male authors write their articles and blog posts, in addition to female authors.

The following editorial supporting adult celibates and refuting the Christian obsession with family, marriage, and procreation is from CBE. Even if you are a gender complementarian, you shouldn’t see anything, or not too much, in this that you disagree with in this article on an egalitarian site.

(Link):  “Who is my mother and who are my brothers?”

(If that link does not work, please try (Link): this one to access the article)

Here are some excerpts.

by Carrie A. Miles

On issues of the family and scripture, Christians are in a bit of a pickle. It is not always clear how our convictions about “family values” mesh with what the Bible teaches, especially the Gospels.

Jesus, for example, did not assign the great spiritual and sentimental significance to family life that many Christians do today. How then do we reconcile the expectation that all good Christians should marry with his example of lifelong celibacy?

Or our championship of family with Jesus’ warning that following him will set sibling against sibling and parent against child?

Endorsing family values poses particularly interesting issues for biblical egalitarians, since many of our fellow Bible-believers hold that these values should include a hierarchical model of marriage.

In order to understand Jesus’ attitude toward the family, we must understand that family practices in the first century were not based on emotion as they are today, but rather on material, economic interests.

In my book, The Redemption of Love,1 I show that the family values prevalent in Jesus’ day were the economic consequences of the Fall. These family practices, now known as patriarchy, were corrupted by the human decision to have our own way and live outside of God’s abundance.

I join New Testament historian S. Scott Bartchy in arguing that rather than support patriarchy, Jesus and other New Testament writers (especially Paul) intended to over- throw it. Thus, Jesus’ teachings, which seem anti-family today, reflect his intent to dissolve the materialistic motives for family and replace them with relationships based on doing the will of God.2

Singleness

In this passage Jesus challenged another ancient family value—the expectation that every respectable person should marry. He noted several reasons why people might choose not to marry, including the decision to devote themselves entirely to the kingdom of heaven (v. 12). Between this teaching and his own example of celibacy, Jesus made it clear that it was acceptable for godly people to remain single.This was a radical claim, since singleness had rarely been an option before. Historically, most marriages were arranged by families to further their own interests, often with little consideration for the preferences of the bride and groom.

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