“Consensual Incest” Should Be Decriminalized, Advocates Say, by K. Boniello

“Consensual Incest” Should Be Decriminalized, Advocates Say By Kathianne Boniello

(Link): Advocates Speak out in Favor of Legalizing Consensual Incest

(Link):  USA: Incest marriage supporters come out in support of parent and child who want to marry, compare it to gay marriage

The parent wants the law to be declared unconstitutional and unenforceable in their case, which he calls “PAACNP” or “Parent and Adult Child Non-Procreationable” couples.

(Link):  NY Post criticized for interviewing ‘consensual incest’ decriminalization advocates who claim they should have same rights as gays

The New York Post came under fire after providing two pro-incest-decriminalization activists with a platform to share their views that parents should be able to marry their children so long as it is “consensual.”

(Link): “Consensual Incest” Should Be Decriminalized, Advocates Say 

April 17, 2021

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 Consensual incest advocates are rooting for an anonymous New York parent (Link): who wants to marry their own adult child.

Australian Richard Morris, who is pushing to change incest laws in about 60 countries, said he supports the legal push in Manhattan Federal Court and that such behavior between consenting adults “should not be criminalized.”

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Father Raped Gay Daughter ‘To Prove Sex Was Better With Men’ – Parenthood Does Not Make People More Ethical, Loving, Mature, or Responsible

Father Raped Gay Daughter ‘To Prove Sex Was Better With Men’

This news story is beyond warped (link is much farther below in this post). I don’t have words for it.

I also wonder how much of this was motivated by this guy’s anti-Lesbian views and maybe more so than by the fact he’s a deviant and fantasized about incest before?

I am not arguing that a guy raping a woman based on her being a lesbian is any more acceptable, but I am just wondering if that is what is behind this guy’s actual motive.

I have a hard time believing or understanding how a man can rape his own daughter over the reasoning that she claims she may be a lesbian. I suspect he may have just wanted an excuse, any excuse, to sexually assault her.

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Police Charge 45 Year Old Woman With Incest With 25 Year Old Son

Police Charge 45 Year Old Woman With Incest With 25 Year Old Son

These incest stories seem to be becoming more common lately.

Anyway, this goes to show that the Christian assumption that being a parent makes a person more godly or mature is a bunch of crap.

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(Link): Police Charge 45 Year Old Woman With Incest With 25 Year Old Son

Police in Asheville, North Carolina, arrested a 45-year-old woman and charged her with having an illegal sexual relationship with her own 25-year-old son, reports

Melissa Nell Kitchens was accused of having a sexual relationship with her son, Shaun Thomas Pfeiffer, Buncombe County police said, according to (Link): the New York Daily News.

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Mother and Daughter Arrested for Alleged Incestuous Marriage, Woman Previously Married Son

Mother and Daughter Arrested for Alleged Incestuous Marriage, Woman Previously Married Son

Many Christians (especially the conservative ones who are totally consumed by culture wars and marriage idolatry) like to insist it is necessary for a person to marry and have children, because supposedly, being married and a parent bestows character, godliness, and responsibility to a person.

Clearly, this is not the case, when we see news stories like this one, of a biological mother involved in an incestuous relationship with her daughter.

(Link):   Oklahoma Mother Charged with Incest Allegedly ‘Looked Into’ Laws Before Marrying Daughter

(Link): Incest charges for Oklahoma mother and biological daughter

(Link):  Oklahoma woman and daughter arrested for incestuous marriage 

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(Link):  Mother who married daughter faces jail for incest… 8 years after she married her son

Patricia Spann, 43, married 25-year-old Misty Spann in March 2016 in Comanche County. Six years previously, she had annulled her previous marriage – to her son Jody.

In August this year, Patricia and Misty’s relationship was discovered by the Department of Human Services during a child welfare investigation. Under state law, the marriage of close relatives is considered incestuous whether or not they also have a sexual relationship.

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Family Values Republican Politician Hastert in Trouble for Sexual Assault of Kids / On Liberals and Not Having Sexual Standards

Family Values Republican Politician Hastert in Trouble for Sexual Assault of Kids / On Liberals and Not Having Sexual Standards

This politician, Hastert, is now in his 70s and is in poor health. Some of his victims have stepped forward to say he sexually assaulted them when they were kids.

I’ve seen several articles say that he was a “family values” type of Republican.

Below is a report about it – probably by a left winger. I am right wing, but in the last few years, I’ve had some changing feelings about the Republican Party, conservative Christians, and how much they push this “family values” rhetoric.

This author does spend part of her report taking Bill Clinton to task for taking advantage of Lewinsky.

I will be placing more articles about this story below this first link and excerpt.

I’m not terribly fond of how so many right-wing “Family Values” spokespersons and figure heads later turn out to be hypocrites.

On the other hand, I’m not a supporter of the left wing – many of them not only participate in sexually immoral activity or champion sexual hedonism, but they have few to no sexual standards in the first place. And they don’t want any.

Maybe there is something positive to be said in having sexual standards in the first place, even if it means a person (or group of persons) who claim to believe in them occasionally violates them.

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Father cat-fished his own daughter, 14, and tricked her into sending him naked photos that he later used for leverage when he started molesting her

Father cat-fished his own daughter, 14, and tricked her into sending him naked photos that he later used for leverage when he started molesting her

This headline came through my Twitter feed not long after the story of a married father who was arrested for sexual crimes against kids.

As I just said in my last post, Christians insist that becoming a parent or getting married are necessarily ingredients to become a full-fledged adult. They think never married adults or the childless are immature or selfish. Wrong. There are plenty of news stories which demonstrate that being married or a parent does not magically transform a person into a paragon of virtue.

(Link): Father cat-fished his own daughter, 14, and tricked her into sending him naked photos that he later used for leverage when he started molesting her

  • By SNEJANA FARBEROV FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
  • The 41-year-old man from upstate New York has pleaded guilty to 12 federal child pornography counts
  • Man admitted to posing as a 16-year-old boy online and forcing his daughter to send him X-rated photos of herself
  • He later lied to his teen daughter that her online boyfriend had committed suicide and began sexually abusing her
  • Twisted scheme came to light after the girl told a nurse at her school she was being molested by her father
  • The defendant faces up to 250 years in prison when he is sentenced in July
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  • A father from upstate New York has admitted to posing as his 14-year-old daughter’s online boyfriend and forcing her to send him nude photos of herself, which he then used as leverage when he started sexually abusing her.

  • The twisted catfishing scheme and incestuous relationship came to light when the victim told a nurse at her school that she was being molested by her own father.

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A Pennsylvania man raped his sister, and their mother told her not to go to police

A Pennsylvania man raped his sister, and their mother told her not to go to police

Here we go again.

If “Family Values” or “the Nuclear Family” was the building block of society and could save people – as some Christians seem to imply – we wouldn’t expect to see news stories like the following. There is nothing sacred about the family unit.

There are never-married, childless adults such as myself who are ten times more ethical and godly than the deviants like we see in these types of news stories, who are in traditional family units.

(Link):  Brother Raped Sister—and Mom Told Her Not to Go to Police by K. Lipp

  • January 25, 2016
  • Edward Geier was convicted of 1,074 counts of sexual assault and molestation. Meanwhile, his mother—who told the victim, her daughter, not to report her brother—hasn’t been charged.
  • A Pennsylvania man raped his sister, and their mother told her not to go to police.
  • Edward Geier was convicted last week of 1,074 counts of rape and molestation for abusing his sister and step-daughter. The trial (Link): lasted two and a half days and it took the jury just a few hours of deliberation to decide he was guilty.
  • While he faces life in prison, his mother is not facing any charges for telling her daughter not to report Geier’s rape to police—and even telling her to recant her accusation after she did tell cops.

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Josh Duggar (Christian TV Personality) Resigns from Family Research Council after Child Sexual Abuse Allegations

Christian Josh Duggar Resigns from Family Research Council after Sexual Abuse Allegations

For anyone who may be new to this blog:

I’m pretty right wing, though not as right wing as I used to be, but I am not a liberal Democrat.

I don’t consider myself to be in agreement with most of left wing, secular feminism (though I reject Christian gender complementarianism, and feminism in my view is not the same thing as Christian egalitarianism), and I am not opposed to traditional values, the family, or to marriage.

Where I take issue with Christians and other right wingers pertains to their habit of taking family, marriage, and procreation to the point they deify each, and they exclude or ignore adult singles, child free people, and the childless.

There’s nothing wrong with marriage, or people having children, but there is something deeply wrong with a Christian culture that builds up marriage and natalism at the expense of anyone who does not fit those positions.

Although I am no fan of left wing politics or most left wing causes and values, I am not exactly fond of how obsessed some right wingers are with ramping up or participating in the culture wars.

I am especially perturbed, shocked, and disgusted by these news stories of well-known, or prominent, right wing Christians who loudly and regularly scream in favor of “defending the family” yet they themselves end up getting divorced (these same “pro family” groups usually shame divorced people for being divorced), or news leaks that they are secretly homosexual, or they are having heterosexual affairs.

The members of these same “pro family” groups have the audacity to usually cast adult singles, celibates, and the childfree, as being irresponsible, deficient, and immature – themselves violate their own ideals about marriage and family.

How dare these hypocrites accuse people such as myself – never married, childless adults who are celibate – of being sexually immoral or irresponsible and ungodly when they are not living out good values?

But still, Baptist, Reformed, and conservative evangelical Christians keep marching to this insulting drum beat that getting married and having children are necessary life events to make a person godly, mature, and loving.

I notice that some left wing types are using this Duggar story as an opportunity to say, “see, homosexuality is not so bad. How dare right wing, Family Values proponents knock on homosexuality as they do.”

I fail to see how a hetero guy molesting little girls somehow is proof that homosexuality is morally acceptable, anymore than it would prove a (Link): man having sex with a horse or a (Link): man having sex with his own biological daughter is acceptable.

(That a child molester has spoken out against X at some time but is guilty himself of Z, is not necessarily grounds to prove that X is okay.)

I appreciate the fact –  the hypocrisy –  that this Duggar guy was part of an organization that spoke out against homosexuality while himself guilty of prior sexual sin, but I don’t see where the Bible excuses either forms of sexual behavior: homosexuality or a teenaged boy molesting little girls.

(That’s all I care to say about that topic, as my blog does not focus a whole lot on the culture wars vis a vis homosexuality.)

This family has been featured on daily Christian television show “700 Club” at least once, possibly more, and one of the episodes that featured the Duggers was repeated two or more times over one to two years. I wrote a post about this a few years ago, I don’t know if I can find it again. Here it is:

I think Christian TV shows should be more careful about having some of these people on as examples or as role models, when they or their family members later turn out to be adulterers, sexists, or child molesters.

The 700 Club has had various “Christian celebrities” on who later were found guilty of child molesting, having affairs, getting divorced (after promoting a book about marriage, or going on about how “the Lord” made their marriage great), or in saying horrible things, like girls should be married by the time they are 16 years old, etc.

Here is the latest example of a “Christian” family who was interviewed on 700 Club, and who also paraded “family values” around constantly, but one of their family members was, according to several news sites, molesting girl relatives:

(Link):  Duggars reeling from Josh’s sex-abuse scandal

  • by Maria Puente, USA TODAY
  • 9:26 p.m. EDT May 21, 2015
  • The Duggars, the reality TV family famous for its progeny (19 Kids and Counting) and its conservatism, is reeling now that oldest son, Josh, has been forced to acknowledge he was investigated for molesting underage girls when he was a teenager in Arkansas.
  • His acknowledgement came after InTouch magazine published a story Thursday about police records it obtained from Springdale, Ark., hidden since 2006, that show Josh Duggar confessed to his father, Jim Bob Duggar, who then waited more than a year before contacting police about what his then 15-year-old son admitting doing to five girls.
  • Josh Duggar apologized Thursday and abruptly resigned his job at the Family Research Council in Washington, one of the leading conservative groups fighting abortion and gay marriage among other causes.

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Teen Girl Willingly Loses Her Virginity to Her Biological Father Knowing He Is Her Biological Father ~ They Plan to Marry and Have Kids

Teen Girl Willingly Loses Her Virginity to Her Biological Father Knowing He Is Her Biological Father ~ They Plan to Marry and Have Kids

(Link):   Teenager loses virginity to her estranged DAD and now plans to marry him

This story is so gross.

I think the young lady in the story – who was about 17 years of age when the “relationship” (as in sex and dating) started with her biological father – bears a tiny bit less of the responsibility in this than her father, who was about 35 or 36 when this began. But she should still know better, so I’m not giving her a pass.

I think the girl is an idiot, in addition to being a sexual deviant.

Due to immaturity, insecurity, admitted sexual and relationship confusion on her part, and lack of life experience, she is being made a fool of.

Her father, who was mid 30s when this began, is exploiting her. I do not even care if, from the girl’s view, that this is “consensual”.

It is so damn easy for anyone over the age of 25 to emotionally manipulate someone who is under age 25 – and make that double if the older person is age 35, 45, or older. Older adults can manipulate and scam the hell out of you if you are below 25, and you won’t even notice it at the time.

I don’t think this girl understands she cannot trust her father. She thinks he is more trustworthy to date precisely because he is her dad (you can read her rationale below).

That her father is willing to have sex with his own biological daughter indicates he is a predator, not a trustworthy father. A real, caring father is NOT going to step over this line and have sexual dealings with his own kid.

But she confuses things, to thinking, well, this is the man who gave me Barbie dolls and teddy bears when I  was a girl, ergo, it’s safer for me to enter a romantic relationship with him than with a guy I’m not related to.

She has it all wrong. If her dad was truly a stand up guy, he would never, ever have touched her sexually, and it is irrelevant if she agreed to it or not.

When asked about these issues in the interview, she says no worries, her mother taught her self defense, like how to kick a man in the crotch.

She is so effing naive… she is being EMOTIONALLY (as well as sexually) manipulated and exploited and does not even recognize it; she equates being abused only with PHYSICAL abuse. Her father just wants in her pants, like any horny boy her own age who she’s not related to, and she’s permitting it. She doesn’t even see what is happening.

As someone on another site astutely observed, sex before marriage is now considered even more passe’ since this girl says in her interview about the incest that she and her biological father began having sex and THEN afterwards began dating.

Yes. So. People are having sex first and THEN dating and THEN marrying.

One of the interesting or amusing things I see in some articles that are critical of her relationship (and under comments about the story of the man who is married to a woman, but he claims to have sex with a horse regularly), are the number of pro-homosexuality persons who get upset by this.

By the way, in the interview with the man who has sex with a horse, he says that his horse consents to the sex. He claims that. Go read the article, don’t ask me to explain or defend it. I don’t agree that a horse can give consent to having sex with a person.

It angers homosexuality advocates that the men who want to have sex with horses, or their own daughters, use the same, exact claims and arguments that the pro homosexual lobby does, such as, “I was born this way,” and, “as long as its consensual, it’s okay,” and, “who are you to judge.”

As for the idiot who left a comment under the Science of Us article: that the Bible mentions incidents of incest does not mean that God approves of incest. Duh.

I also think this story goes to once again show that the Christian propaganda that being married or a parent makes a person more mature and godly is false. Being married or a parent is not an indication of someone’s morals or ethics or maturity. Here you have a man who has been married, has a biological daughter, and is having sex with her.

Also, if, as Christians maintain, married sex is so “mind blowing,” why did the father in this story divorce the mother and end up having sex with his own daughter? If the “mind blowing” propaganda were true, would this man not have been sexually satisfied with his wife, (or later, with the adult girlfriend he had) – why is he having sex with his biological daughter?

Before proceeding reading this, you may want to have a trash can handy so you can throw up.

(Link):  What It’s Like to Date Your Dad – from Science of Us site

Excerpts:

  • By Alexa Tsoulis-Reay / Jan 15, 2015
  • …Consensual incest between fathers and their daughters remains the least reported and perhaps the most taboo sort of GSA relationship. Keith Pullman, who runs a marriage equality blog, has personally talked to over 20 GSA couples and notes that he’s only had a few father-daughter couples speak out, speculating that many of them fear that others will assume the daughter must have been abused in childhood (it should be said that when these unions lead to children, those children can face potentially serious difficulties as a result of the genetic implications of incest, even if some online communities downplay these risks).Here, an 18-year-old woman from the Great Lakes region describes her romantic relationship of almost two years with the biological father she met after 12 years of estrangement.
  • What was your family like when you were growing up?

  • My parents had me when they were 18 — they met in high school and I was conceived on prom night. They were serious for about six months but broke up while my mom was still pregnant with me. My dad wasn’t there when I was born. [Her dad had hardly any contact with her as she grew up because her mother would not permit it]
  • …. Can you remember much from your time with your dad when you were little?

  • I have some memories. He spoiled me rotten. I had this giant storage tote of Barbie dolls and I had my own Mary-Kate and Ashley bedroom. It was a little girl’s dream. We’d sit in the yard blowing bubbles together, and he took me to the zoo where he bought me a stuffed animal that I kept until I was 16. I ended up washing it and stupidly put it in the dryer, which melted all its fur. I remember he gave me a miniature tea set. I still have it.
  • Do you think it triggered the abandonment you felt from your own dad?

  • Yeah. I think I was subconsciously replaying what I’d been through.
  • Did you date when you were a teenager?
  • I didn’t really have a social life. I stayed home a lot because my mom didn’t trust me, and most of the kids my age were hooked on heroin, so it was hard to find friends. I lived in such a small town where there was nothing to do. In fifth grade I dated a boy for two years.
  • But one night he got drunk and had sex with a girl who ended up pregnant. It f-cked everything up. I told him he had to go and be with this girl and take care of the kid.
  • Did you have sex with that boyfriend?

  • No. I had a girlfriend in middle school and that was the most major sexual experience I’d ever had. But she was very religious and every time we were intimate she would sob and read me verses out of the Bible.
  • It made me feel like I’d hurt her. The second time we did it she cried and said we’d done something wrong and she was worried her grandmother would find out.
  • I was done after that. No more crying, and no more Bible transcripts. She had me in tears because I felt so guilty.
  • How do you define your sexuality?
    I’ve always identified as bisexual.
  • So can you remember what it was like the moment you and your dad were reunited? Was there an instant attraction?
  • It was so weird and confusing. I was seeing my dad for the first time in forever but it was also like, He’s so good-looking! And then I was like, What the hell are you thinking? What is wrong with you? I saw him as my dad but then also part of me was like, I’m meeting this guy who I have been talking to over the internet and really connecting with and I find him attractive.
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  • Was there a single moment you realized that you were sexually and romantically attracted to your dad?
    After I had stayed with him for about five days.

    What happened?
    He was living with his girlfriend. On the first night he slept on the couch and I slept on the floor, just to make sure that I was okay.

  • …That night we were play-wrestling in the room I was going to sleep in and I bit him. He was wearing a pair of basketball shorts and a tank top and after I bit him I could see goose bumps pop up from his toes to his shoulders. Then he pinched my inner thigh and I got goose bumps.We stopped and said that we didn’t know what was going on but admitted that we had strong feelings for each other. We discussed whether it was wrong and then we kissed. And then we made out, and then we made love for the first time. That was when I lost my virginity.
  • Did you tell him you were a virgin?
    Yes. I told him I wanted him to be the first person I made love to. We talked about how it could be awkward if it didn’t end up working out. He also said that if I didn’t feel comfortable at any point I should tell him.

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How Pre-Martial Sex Negatively Impacts People: The Incest Letter

This was published in newspapers today.

  • DEAR AMY:
  • I am a 40-year-old woman with a brother two years younger. We were raised in a house that had a lot of pornography exposure (initiated by my father; my mother was dismayed).
  • At the age of 10 and 12 my brother and I started behaving sexually with each other. It went all the way. It was consensual; it wasn’t a case of molestation or anything like that, and it lasted less than a year.
  • I still think about it sometimes and wonder if my brother ever thinks about or feels ashamed about it, like I do.
  • Should I still feel ashamed after all these years, or is this something I need to just forget about?
  • — Embarrassed

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Related:

(Link):  Sometimes Fornication Can Impact Another Relationship Later – One Example

(Link):  Stop Pretending Sex Never Hurts, By D.C. McAllister

(Link):  An Example of Mocking Adult Virginity Via Twitter (Virginity Used As Insult)

(Link):  Ramifications of Pre Martial Sex – Sky Diver Husband; Also: Stereotypes About All Men Wanting Sex Constantly and Being Visually Stimulated Disproven Again

(Link):  Incest a ‘fundamental right’, German committee says

(Link):  Six Christian Homeschool Brothers Some of Whom Attended a FIC (Family Integrated Church) raped their kid sister over ten year period

Incest a ‘fundamental right’, German committee says

Incest a ‘fundamental right’, German committee says

Wow, Germany. Wow.

(Link): Incest a ‘fundamental right’, German committee says 

  • Anti-incest laws in Germany could be scrapped after a government-backed group said relationships between brothers and sisters should be legal
  • “Criminal law is not the appropriate means to preserve a social taboo,” the German Ethics Council said in a statement. “The fundamental right of adult siblings to sexual self-determination is to be weighed more heavily than the abstract idea of protection of the family.”

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Brazilian Woman Discovers Her Husband Is Also Her Brother

Brazilian Woman Discovers Her Husband Is Also Her Brother

Yikes. And “ew.”

(Link): Brazilian Woman Discovers Her Husband Is Also Her Brother

    by Bijan Stephen

    The two have been together for 10 years

    A Brazilian woman on a quest to find her long-lost birth mother recently received the shock of her life: after locating her parent with the help of a radio program that specializes in finding lost relatives, she found out that her husband of seven years was actually the brother she never knew she had.

Read the rest of the article (Link): here
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Related:

(Link): Married Stepfather Arrested for Incest with Stepdaughter

(Link): Apparently Marriage and Parenting Turns Adults Into Incestuous Child Rapists

(Link): Six Christian Homeschool Brothers Some of Whom Attended a FIC (Family Integrated Church) raped their kid sister over ten year period