Pat Robertson’s Too-Vague Response About Unanswered Prayer and Non-Helpful Advice About Anxiety

Pat Robertson’s Too-Vague Response About Unanswered Prayer and Non-Helpful Advice About Anxiety

The episode in question:
(Link): The 700 Club – January 8, 2019

(There is a video of the program embedded on that page hosted on CBN’s / 700 Club’s site. Also, thanks to commentator Stevo below, check (Link): this page on 700 Club’s site for the video)

The portions of that video I am addressing come during the part of the show where the lady co-host reads viewer questions to Pat Robertson, and Robertson replies to them.

I do not remember at what point the question segment airs, whether it’s at the 30 minute mark or later. Unfortunately, they’ve not uploaded the same episode to their You Tube channel (not yet, perhaps they will tomorrow).

I have to rely on memory here because I’ve not re-watched the episode.

Questions were posed to Robertson about unanswered prayer and about anxiety.

And I don’t believe that Robertson did an adequate job of replying to any of the questions.

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Long Editorial about Virginity at CT – Don’t Blame Evangelicals for the Cult of the Virgin – I Notice It’s the Fornicators Who Want to Ignore or Downplay the Bible’s Teaching that People Are To Stay Virgins Until Marriage

Long Editorial about Virginity at CT – Don’t Blame Evangelicals for the Cult of the Virgin

I am not in complete agreement with all points raised in this editorial farther below.

In particular, I disagree with this view (among a few other portions of the essay):

    Additionally, Christians should extol obedience— in all its forms— not virginity. Chastity is, after all, an act of obedience

Yes, virginity should in fact be extolled; currently in Christian culture, as well as this very editorial, it is being disrespected and downplayed.

You know the Christians who do not want virginity upheld, valued and extolled? None of them were virgins when they married.

The people who have failed at the Biblical command to remain virgins until marriage are the ones who want the teaching ignored or watered down.

You may possibly be able to find some Christian somewhere, who stayed a virgin past age 35, who feels Christians should ditch or downplay the virginity teachings and stop esteeming virginity, but by and large, most of the people I am seeing talking smack about virginity are fornicators.

Some are self-admitted: they will tell you they boinked around a lot as teen aged kids and hearing sexual purity lessons in Bible class when they were 18 or 25 years of age hurt their feelings or made them feel ashamed.

This is like a convicted thief telling Christians,

    “Look, I’m 35 years old now. When I was a teen ager, I robbed a lot of convenience stores and a few banks.

All those sermons I heard against theft when I was 18 or 25, and all the lessons on how stealing is wrong I heard at age 19 in Sunday School, made me feel so dirty and ashamed!

Therefore, I think Christians should stop condemning theft and esteeming honesty in particular and just speak in very generic terms about being ethical in a very vague way.”

That is what fornicators, those who had pre-martial sex, are asking the rest of Christian culture to do in regards to sexual sin and virginity.

And it makes no sense to me why Christians should stop condemning “sin X” or stop extolling “virtue Z” just because some have failed to do “Z” or feel guilty about “X.”

I am not sure I am comfortable or trusting of sexual sinners dictating to the rest of the Christian community how churches should be discussing or handling topics such as sexual sin and virginity. (It also reminds one of this: (Link): How About Using Celibates as Role Models For Celibacy? (Oddity: Christians Holding Up Non-Virgins [Fornicators] As Being Experts or Positive Examples on Sexual Purity)))

Virginity is a form of obedience, how odd the writer of this piece assumes otherwise.

Oddly, while this paper at “Christianity Today” portends to defend virginity in some fashion, it actually puts virginity down by saying virginity is a lost cause and Christians should really only support a broader concept of purity or chastity. ~Way to abandon adults who have remained virgins past age 35, author of this web page.

(Link): Don’t Blame Evangelicals for the Cult of the Virgin

    As the saying goes, we didn’t start the fire.
    by Karen Swallow Prior

Even in the midst of a sexual revolution, of a generation drawn to open relationships, hookup culture, and “polyamory,” virginity still enthralls.
Yet another beautiful young woman is auctioning hers off.

The cable show My Big Fat Gypsy Wedding juxtaposes a cultural expectation to maintain virginity until marriage with a flashy celebration on the day-of. Feminist defenses of virginity crop up on edgy websites. A burgeoning academic field is devoted to (Link): “virginity studies.” Even the “first kiss” video that recently went viral is but a variation on the “first time” theme.

In the midst of this, younger evangelicals question the church’s message to encourage Christians to maintain “purity” until marriage. They have a point: some of our efforts cross the line between encouraging chastity and venerating virginity. But as the examples above show, making an idol out of virginity is a problem that’s much bigger than evangelicalism.

A recent (Link): article [Naked and Ashamed: Women and Evangelical Purity Culture] at The Other Journal that details virginity’s history in the church moves toward correcting a myopic vision that can’t see past the pews of personal experience to the broader historical and cultural contexts. Yet, the exaltation of virginity for virginity’s sake began, and continues, well outside the church.

Rather than merely an evangelical hang-up, our adoration of virginity is a universal impulse with a long tradition.

Throughout human history, virgins have been worshipped in paintings, sculptures, poetry, prose, and song. Today’s church needs to do a better job at distinguishing between biblical and cultural views of virginity to develop a robust theology of the body, human sexuality, and chastity.

Chastity, sexual abstinence outside of marriage and faithfulness within it, has been a distinctive of the Christian church since its beginnings, brought into sharp relief by an array of sexual practices found in the surrounding pagan cultures.

Unlike the balanced view of sexuality offered by the church—as a gift that promotes human flourishing when expressed within the limits of its Creator’s design—ancient sexual practices embraced the extremes: homosexual pederasty, for example, on one end and sacred virginity on the other.

…Fascination with virginity is by no means limited to medieval Catholics, courtiers, and queens—and virginity was no less fashionable in the modern era.

In the Victorian age, women were caught in a double bind: in her idealized role as wife and mother, the Victorian woman couldn’t, of course, be a perpetual virgin and fulfill those roles, so she was exalted instead as the “Angel in the House.”

In the meantime, a thriving prostitution industry arose, perpetuating a dichotomous view of women as either angels or whores and nothing in between.

… Christians, of course, are commanded to live chaste lives before and during marriage. But when we decontextualize the purpose and meaning of virginity or attempt to promote it through guilt or gimmicks, the church reflects ancient myths and modern fetishes more than biblical principles.

While there’s no formula for how Christians can encourage chastity without accommodating cultural practices that are at odds with biblical principles, a few guidelines come to mind.

First, chastity is best cultivated within the context of vibrant relationship and genuine community.

Yet, the (Link): rituals and (Link): pledges [Study: Abstinence Pledges Aren’t Enough] popular with some Christians reflect ancient pagan rites more than a biblical faith centered on personal relationship.

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The Minotaur Preacher

The Minotaur Preacher

A preacher on a Christian talk show introduced another preacher as a “Minotaur preacher.”

Minotaur drawing
Minotaur drawing
I think he meant “mentor.”

He mangled it. He got the pronunciation incorrect.

The Minotaur Preacher gave some of that vague Christian advice/ preaching I despise, where he said “we have the ability to live in God’s power.”

What the hell does that mean, and how does one go about it? Concrete steps please, not more vague religious-y sounding answers.

Christian 2013 Women Conference

Christian 2013 Women Conference

Before I talk about the woman’s conference:

I found a really good PDF about Christian singleness I wanted to share. I bookmarked it a few weeks ago but can’t find it. I’d like to post it to this blog if I can find it again. So one of these days, I will post that if I can find it.

Anyhoo. This caught my eye:
(Link): Over 5,000 Attend Women of Faith Conference in Washington, DC

I skimmed the page over.

I was pleasantly surprised that this “Women of Faith” conference did NOT cover the usual crock, barfy, topics one would expect at a conservative gathering for evangelical / Christian women such as…

-POSSIBLE TOPICS ONE WOULD EXPECT TO SEE AT A CHRISTIAN CONFERENCE FOR WOMEN-

1. How to bake nutritious, tasty, flavorful, healthful casseroles for your husband; recipes galore available at the meeting!

2. How to sew cute, home-made pinafores for your daughters!

3. How to perform sexually for your husband, even on days you’re tired or sick and would rather tell him to go jump off a cliff

4. How to submit joyfully and gracefully unto your man

5. How to make cheapy, crafty junky stuff with glue guns, pine cones, glitter, construction paper and pipe cleaners to use as table center pieces!

6. Learn that you have inner beauty thanks to your place in Jesus Christ but we will contradict this teaching during the conference to put on “Diet and Beauty” seminars, where you will learn to apply mascara and lip stick and that you need to Stay Pretty for your husband because ‘Men Are Visually Oriented’!

7. Learn how to vacuum and wash the dishes by hand at the same time!

8. Tips to make your grocery budget go further!
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Instead, the host of the event discussed trusting God even if you have fear in your life, as well as her personal battle with clinical depression.

By the way: I hate the words “tasty” and “flavorful” and “healthful.”

But I would not be shocked if a Christian woman’s conference covered the points I listed above. I’ve seen similar points being advertised at Christian conferences for teen girls and for adult women, including by Independent Fundamentalist Baptist churches and by Bill Gothard groups.

Here is a quote from the article (“Over 5,000 Attend Women of Faith Conference in Washington, DC”):

    “I [conference host Sheila Walsh] went from hosting the 700 club for five years to ending up in a psychiatric ward. There’s so much stigma within the church about mental illness but I wear my testimony on my sleeve,” said Walsh. “You see, there is beauty in transparency. We have learned how to wear masks but we shouldn’t be afraid to be seen for who we really are.”

    She called on women to get rid of their fear of going through storms while affirming that they do not have to maneuver through life – God can do it for them. Walsh illustrated her point by bringing an inflatable boat on stage while making the point that several types of women exist that refuse or doubt that their circumstances can be handled by Christ.

–VAGUE CHRISTIAN ADVICE OR SERMONS —

Not that what she said is all wrong or bad, but I don’t grasp this:

“God can do it for them”

I often hear Christians say “hand your fears (or depression or whatever) over to God.” What does that mean? It’s so vague.

During the years I had depression and panic attacks, I repeatedly went to God in prayer about it. I asked for healing.

I told God on several occasions, “I hand my depression to you,” and that NEVER made the depression or panic attacks go away.

So how does one “hand their problems” over to God? I want to see concrete steps here, not vague recommendations.